The Post Mortem of Jerry Seinfeld with special guest Rob Kates

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partnership with them uh in that regard it's it's it's an incredible thing now today's episode is going to be uh it by the way our very first returning guest so there you have it we're 12 episodes into this thing daniel kellison just dropped at the time of this broadcast we've got arthur kelly in the can and um and a couple other little things as well but uh we haven't had a returning guest yet so i guess it'll be you know 13 or 14 episodes in uh total uh before rob cates has come back and and if you remember rob cates runs uh a whole bunch of different tribute sites uh enthusiast sites on on facebook or as a part of a whole bunch of them to do with uh the rat pack with tens of thousands of members and then between all of his other ones tens of thousands of members to do with comedy uh late night especially and of course the david letterman fans um uh facebook group and and i just again we i was talking about this with somebody last night how people who work in television just appreciate uh the work of david letterman and company um you know we're gonna go deep on on that in a future episode for sure why that is the case um you know we think it's subliminal that dave you know came up old school he he was in the in the radio studio in the television studio knew how to do everything and and um when he broke that fourth wall those are the types of people uh who he featured on the show and and it's just very cool to see that i've had some experience in community television and i think that um there's a bit of a communal thing happening there but that's not what today's episode about is about rob is coming on we're gonna do a postmortem today and i'm very excited that it's rob that i'm doing this one with if there was an episode of my next guest that i've watched more than any other episode um and by the way i mean we have maybe maybe i'll start with this with rob um those of us who are enthusiasts of things will watch things multiple times some of us and if there's uh an episode that i've watched more than any other one it's the one we're going to discuss today uh featuring the gentleman that uh we're gonna discuss of course it goes beyond just his my next guest appearance but as my next guest appearance was um uh landmark and it's jerry seinfeld um and and rob and i today are gonna discuss jerry seinfeld we're going to discuss the comedians and cars getting coffee as well as uh my next guest and wherever else the conversation is going to take us the post-mortem of jerry seinfeld with my very special guest rob cates thank you so much for coming back uh you had so much fun the first time yeah yeah you jumped into the breach again thank you so much for coming back to be on the letterman podcast buddy oh thank you so much for having me back yeah as you said i'm your first return guest so i'm honored to do that and honored to talk about dave and jerry seinfeld i mean two of my comedy heroes and i know they're they're two of your very favorites too so i just love seeing dave and jerry together on my next guest and also on comedians and cars getting coffee yeah it's uh uh i'm great i'm so glad that it's you uh that i'm talking uh to about this because yeah we are both very very much enthusiasts of both men of of the science of comedy itself the evolution of comedy all of those things and and i think that it's very safe to say um that these both these episodes and and many times that jerry and dave interact with each other um you know this is this is one of those episodes that as far as if there was a love letter to us enthusiasts i would think that that is the episode that is though those two episodes uh uh you know that we're talking about here today but the the my next guest specifically were jerry seinfeld uh it looked to me like it was an audience of netflix employees i don't know about you but that's what it looked like to me um but uh jerry seinfeld interviewing or attempting to interview david letterman on on dave's own uh show incredible episode to say the least um and we got lots of meat on that bone to to talk about today i could talk about i mean the episode itself is 40 some odd minutes i could talk about this episode for hours because of the tidbits and some of the things that were said and maybe also unsaid as well sure yeah definitely and uh yeah i i think it was probably netflix employees and i think it was at the at the netflix headquarters at one of their studios in la and uh of course they they dove into when they first met and and jerry and they thought that they met at the comedy store originally and i thought it was interesting how jerry was talking about how he was able to do dave's show and johnny carson show so he was that appealing of a comedian that he could appeal to dave's audience as well as johnny's audience and that didn't happen a lot often you had dave guess and you had johnny gas and they didn't often intertwine but that was that was an interesting point that jerry made about that yeah and and going into the um you know the sensibility of both shows and how how uh uh you know dave dave pointed out that there were limits put on to because car you know uh late night with david letterman was it was it was a carson property it was a it was johnny carson's um you know i i probably as a result of of one of johnny's legendary you know contra contract re-ups uh you know the idea that 12 30 became his his his baby uh or at least his production company um had a massive stake and say in the content that was following him um you know i've also heard things over the years about how johnny had to say in saturday night live and things like that as well um and and because of that uh you know restrictions put on late night as to what it potentially uh well what it could not be um you know certain types of music that was played uh you know dave didn't do a monologue opening you know they were called opening remarks things like that those limitations really helped shape what late night became and and as you pointed out uh comedians um very rare crossover and and and we've heard rumblings of that i know you've watched all of our other letterman podcast episodes tom reason talked about that um a little bit as well like with jay leno and how jay leno was on the tonight show and then there was a time tom's reasoning for blew me away uh why jay kind of stopped being on the tonight show and then david letterman picked that up and had jay pretty much exclusively on late night for a lot of appearances dozens of appearances and then jay goes back and starts guest hosting things like that jerry a guy who could go between both shows and i love dave's reaction to that like dave this is a quintessential episode that shows uh in my opinion it's it's attempted compliment ping pong is this episode um you know every time jerry tried to compliment dave uh you know deflection and and many times when dave would compliment jerry deflection and it was just very interesting how jerry would talk about i was very proud about being the guy that could go walk between two worlds of the tonight show uh johnny carson's tonight show and late night with david letterman and and dave was just like oh it was a bit of a curiosity for him does not acknowledge the cultural significance of that and i found that very interesting sure i i agree definitely and yeah it's just was amazing to as you said it's like the the two comedic giants kind of complementing one another back and forth and just to hear dave i love dave talking about early in his career you know he did a few things in indianapolis he was a weatherman there and did a little bit of dabbling and broadcasting in indianapolis but he knew that what he had to do was to move out to california perform at the comedy store for a while and get noticed by somebody from johnny carson show and get on johnny's show and that's back then that's how you made it that's how you made it in show business that was like a clear road to how to make it in tv and comedy and also it's interesting how dave didn't really want to be a stand-up but he knew that that was the route that he had to take unlike jerry always wanted to be a stand-up comedian that's what he wanted to do but they knew he wanted to be on television he wanted to be involved in that world but being a stand-up was not the main thing that drove dave and he he was a broadcaster and but stand-up was his avenue to get into television i understand this as well i've been uh i i've been doing stand up a little bit this year uh since since the pandemic has kind of released its ugly claws on humanity uh i've been doing it not because i think i am uh overly funny uh not because uh i want to i'm aspiring to be a stand-up but and and and a big part of it rob is because of this episode you know uh dave saying you know i knew i had to do it it it wasn't my end game by any stretch of the imagination um i wanted to i needed to have that skill set down you know as as in his repertoire that's why he did it and i think that right there uh you know people always uh you know compare jay leno and david letterman and and and i jay leno uh i think is more like jerry seinfeld than the fact that he wants to be the stand-up comedian uh the quintessential stand-up comedian the guy the the the joke machine um and he and jerry are very similar that way but like you said uh and as we talked about in the intro you know dave had spent so much time in tv studios and and and knew every every uh aspect of it you know from the booth announcing all the way up and and in a time where many times you have to be a jack of all trades to do that um he was fascinated by that uh we had altman on the pod jeff altman on the podcast not too long ago and and he uh um talked about how dave went out to to california with the aspiration of being a writer as well you know it wasn't it wasn't he didn't go out there to be a stand-up but he knew to get to where he wanted to go even dave in the in this episode where jerry again it's jerry attempting to interview david letterman um you know where where where dave says oh you know i knew i had to do it um and he says tongue-in-cheek and and and i'll that would get me to the tonight show and by god then they'll give it to me uh i loved that line i loved when dave said that that was just uh uh hilarious because it's tongue-in-cheek but it's also kind of what happened it really is yeah yeah dave was able to follow that route and not everybody was able to do that and not everybody at the comedy store was always impressed with the same type of comedians i mean jerry talked about how mitzi shore the owner of the comedy store the the mother of paulie shore mitzi was not that impressed with jerry and so it was really not the big break for jerriann and jerry was more a new york comic but he he pried his hand in in la but uh yeah that route doesn't always work out exactly for people and but it did luckily it did for dave and uh yeah and then you can look at jay and yeah as you said jay is like the quintessential stand-up and people bash jay leno i'm not gonna bash jay leno but he he is an outstanding comic and david said that jay is like the ultimate comic dave was so impressed with jay at the comedy store and he still is but i personally i was not crazy about jay as a late night host but he's a great comic and i think that his passion is really cars and so his uh his show on cnbc is excellent i think jay leno's garage is really a great fit for him because that's really his passion is talking about cars and his garage is amazing and and uh all of that so i think that that show really works for jay leno because that is his true calling sure um without a doubt i mean without a doubt uh that is you know we talked about talked about when somebody realizes something that is that is their um their calling in life or whatever you want to call it uh jay is definitely definitely living his best life hope to hosting that show you know the one thing talking about jay and talking about this episode of my next guest um back in the day when you would watch jay leno and david letterman go back and forth when jay would guest uh do panel with dave um you know the the the back and forth was amazing i think dave was always at his best when somebody in the opposite chair was smart and funny um and quick i mean if that's if there's a third attribute that would probably be it this episode of my next guest where again it's jerry seinfeld attempting to interview david letterman i say the word attempting because whenever somebody tries to interview dave the questions on dave's side start coming out because dave will either answer a question with a question or he'll start you know getting fascinated with the other person and and and it is a natural curiosity he's also very good at it um and and i i find it interesting the parallels between the two because uh when in this episode of my next guest it kind of did remind me a little bit of when jay would be on uh dave's show a little bit uh even though jerry was trying to interview him uh many times that back and forth would lead places that perhaps weren't scripted or or ready to go uh you know from the get-go in the pre-interview that kind of a thing and i don't think jerry and dave did a pre-interview here um but i think that jerry uh did what very few people uh do uh number one he was able to compliment dave um and and and almost successfully and number two uh he was actually able to get some things out of dave as dave was making the interview back about jerry again sure that that is true yeah and yeah it was like jerry was trying to interview dave but then dave interviews jerry and and back and forth and uh yeah and and i thought that one of the key parts of the show was when dave was talking about hey sometimes i wish that i had stepped down a bit earlier and sometimes i had wished that i had done some things to help the world is basically what he said and he's as we know dave is very humble he doesn't it's hard for him to take compliments and but i thought it was key that that jerry came back and he was like no dave you have done enormous things to help the world i mean you have brought comedy to people for decades you have brought light into the world and entertainment and he asked dave did you intend to change television and he was like oh you know he has trouble taking compliments but i thought that that was really a key part of the show when you think about what dave does for a living and also what jerry does for a living and entertainers in general they bring humor into the world they bring lightness into the world which as we know lately can be kind of a tough place to be i mean it's kind of a dark time for the world right now but um i i don't think that that you want to downplay that and i know that i when i look at my life a lot of my happiness in the world has come from entertainment it's come from television it's come from movies music and things like david letterman show and jerry seinfeld show so those people really have helped a lot of people and they've made a difference in the world and so it was interesting that that jerry brought that perspective and i know that jerry's a transcendental meditation kind of guy so i don't know if that plays any role into his outlook in the world but it's really interesting to hear jerry's outlook on things in general and so that that was a big point for me and the title of the show is you're david letterman you idiot and that's what jerry said to dave basically you're david letterman look at what you have done in the world look what you have accomplished and it's huge and he's basically saying to dave you you don't want to discount that you you don't want to downplay what you've done really to make the world a better place you uh you bring up all sorts of tangents that we could go off of um i'm really glad that you brought up the fact that that that jerry has done so much self-reflection and whether it's through tm or whatever it is where he knows himself very very well um because i don't some people have said that jerry seinfeld comes off as arrogant i don't see that at all i see him coming off coming off as somebody who is a master he's he is masterful in in in not just not just stand-up comedy um he's he is of course a master at that but i think in many ways he's also a master at um at points of view um and the the point of view of being he's not being um arrogant when he says that we have brought a lot of joy to the world or or you you know he's saying it today but he's also saying it himself this is what we do it's it's it's not a selfish pursuit even though it feels good it's not a selfish pursuit because he actually uses we go through hell to entertain you know and and and um the fact that he brought that up and they do like both these men uh in the shows that they created um went through hell if you look at if you look back at all of the uh you know the footage and documentaries and things like that about what it was like when seinfeld was uh was was was being made and produced and and released um you know there's lots of uh you know i think about back to uh jerry seinfeld and gary shandling how they had shows across a lot from each other and they would just sometimes have to meet across the law from each other and pull each other pull their hair out in front of each other because they go through hell to put smiles on people's faces not a selfish pursuit um and he sees that for what it is not arrogantly but uh for the fact that it is um it's not charitable but it's generous to do that for people and that is something that dave uh seemingly um accepted in that moment on the show and you don't normally see dave accepting things like that that is true yeah because i think jerry put things into a different perspective for him and and i i knew that this was something that you'd be interested in because of your uh i know you had the podcast that's about men's mental health and so this is really ties into that ties into psychology and life and what makes us happy what brings us pleasure and watching david letterman or watching jerry seinfeld or it can be watching a broadway show or going to a great concert and myself i know a lot of people feel the same way i have great respect for people who work in the arts people who are actors actresses dancers singers comedians and as you said it's a tough road people who work in the arts they they have so many barriers and they have to face rejection and they it's a tough way to make a living but if you're good enough and if you have the fictitiveness and the persistence to do it you can become somebody like dave or jerry and really make a huge impact on the world well you you bring up a couple things that i uh i definitely want to want to talk about uh both here and and in the future you know um first off the art comment that you just made absolutely um i think that sometimes those of us who are you know we publicly come out about how large an enthusiast we are about whatever art it is for us you know comedy late night uh letterman specifically uh you know we come out and talk about that but really at the end of the day you look at um you look at video games which is an interactive experience you look at at movies uh you know all the streaming platforms content that's out there whether it's podcasts whether it's movies whether it's uh you know long form short form series uh comedy drama whatever all of that in the human being experience that is in our culture of today broadcast date in 2022 that is human beings responding to art we're responding to the commercial versions of art how many visual artists are having shows at uh at alternative galleries or or or limited galleries out there because they're just trying to get what's inside them out and then somehow try and marry it to commerce if they can and and and like you said an incredibly difficult pursuit whether it's music whether it's visual arts whether it's performing arts of whatever genre uh you know this is what we're talking about here and i think many times um these large commercial versions of this which attract a lot of people but many times it gets divided because of the business because of what entertainment is um many times we forget that this is the exact same version of the person that's painting watercolors just to get it out of them and and displaying it hoping that somebody might buy one so they can just paint more watercolors uh and that's what the arts is and these guys when it when it comes down to it um i think that gets disguised because of the commercial aspects of it because they've made as much money as they have and how much successes they have um and and and um put it out there the way that they do it muddles the idea that actually this is just like that this is a piece of art it is a piece of art and and it's yeah jerry talked about how he was he was doing what he thought was funny and of course he would check with larry david and basically if the two of them agreed that it was funny they would do it they put it out there and we know that millions of people felt exactly the same way and i'm sure dave was the same way too dave with his small group of people they would talk about things in the writers rooms and this would be funny or this wouldn't be funny and so that was their goal to entertain and that's what they did and it is interesting interesting to think about the the parallels between dave and jerry and yeah both of them had such groundbreaking impacts on television and on culture and on the world in general oh man again uh i want to go back to the mental health thing in a second here but but just every time you bring up another point uh it's it's so um i love it because you know again this is that compliment ping pong right here the the groundbreaking part you know jerry saying to dave did you intend to you know revolutionize tv and dave just wouldn't even wouldn't even have it you know the only way he you get the compliment through to dave is he turned it into a almost a little bit of deprecation uh you know did you intend to change television forever oh stop stop okay but i'm not gonna say you did it for the better and and dave was like okay i'll accept that but then jer oh god this was the best thing in the entire world because i love when dave accepts a compliment uh he accepted it from seinfeld right here and what we're talking about and he accepted it from chappelle when chappelle was on my next guest because i think sometimes when somebody is such a credible source a giant in the business um dave has no choice but to be grudgingly accepted and and and you know so seinfeld sets up this i don't know if he did it on this almost felt premeditated like i'm gonna compliment dave whether he likes it or not today did you intend to change tv for the bet no no no you know and and and he's like i'm not gonna say for the better and dave immediately agrees and says oh okay yeah and then jerry brings it back and says yeah i'm not gonna say for the better because the people who are pale cheap imitators of what you did have not made television a better thing which kind of brings it back oh god okay you know it wasn't deprecating at all it was it was in fact even more complimentary um i just thought that that was uh amazing i want to go back to the mental health thing for a second just just before we get too far away from it um because jerry addresses this uh this is going to be a subject um we like i said just had jeff altman on on the show here and jeff and i become friends outside of of this and and he's very interested in the men's mental wellness podcast that i do and he's going to come on he's going to talk about it we're going to talk about depression we're going to talk about uh you know some of these um you know some of these these things that aren't invoked talk about but at the same time affect so many of us uh that's gonna be a great conversation now jerry touches on that in this episode and and bread trucks is funny uh you know bread trucks alone is just a funny way of illustrating the point that jerry says uh he does not agree with the idea and it is a stereotypical idea i can't wait to talk about this with jeff um you know there's there's an idea out there that comedians are broken mentally or have some sort of mental illness or mental deficiency and all that and jerry again talking you know you brought up the you know how well he knows himself the meditation the self-reflection all of that stuff um takes exception to that and and and says you know what it's just like you know it's not that every comedian is broken uh it's just like bread truck guys you know there's gonna be some that are and some that aren't it it's not an indicative of uh of the profession and that is a very interesting concept that i think um will become more important as mental health and mental wellness i think becomes more of a of a focal point in our culture yeah definitely you yeah you can't look at okay all comedians have mental challenges or anything like that but but yes some of them do but the thing yeah that's true with any profession and yes you do hear about mental health with comedians because they are in the public eye and if something happens like with robin williams ending his life we hear about that because he was a public figure and everyone knew who robin williams was but but it's it's good in a way because it brings light into that subject and it does get people talking about that and yeah definitely men's mental health is it's not anything to shy away from it's fine to talk about it it's fine for men to talk about their feelings and talk about if they're having struggles or if they're not feeling that well or things like that it doesn't have to do with the the old school people might think oh you're not a real man if you talk about your feelings it's not about that it's really not it's everybody has feelings and everybody has challenges and uh but we can talk about people like dave and jerry who have brought light into the world and they're able to bring some humor and some uh some happiness into our world and make things better well and and and this isn't an episode of he cast but but what you're talking about uh very well could make it that way um because yeah i mean i have on on on the other show i've got you know life coaches and counselors and all these sorts of people that talk about this and talk about vulnerability um and how vulnerability is a silver bullet awareness about this stuff being able to admit it a little bit that you're not feeling all right if you're not and so many men don't do that and we bottle it up and it's just that simple act of getting it out there uh is part of the solution i think comedians many times like i think about a guy like neil brennan and and and i mean oh my god if you haven't watched neil brennan's uh uh three lights special on netflix oh phenomenal special and and and uh you know i highlight him because he's very public about it i'm not outing anything or anything the whole entire special was kind of built around uh you know his progression comedians they get up there and they are vulnerable in so many ways and and and that is a um you know i think many times uh comedians that that may have these types of things well guess what they get up on stage and they start working that out and it's a beautiful beautiful thing the compliment thing i think is really interesting though because again i want to go back not to how dave accepted that compliment but let's go to jerry for a second because dave tried to do the same thing to jerry and say okay well you know um you know the most groundbreaking out and this is the coolest side too i love how rock and roll dave is and i love how much dave loves music i adore that that is a subject we're going to be talking about on the letterman podcast moving forward for sure um and the who he cited when he was complimenting jerry on on his situation comedy his epic situation comedy seinfeld um you know he goes back to a rolling stone article you know rolling stone uh calls your show the most groundbreaking or the greatest whatever the quote was and again jerry just he had a hard time accepting that um even though he is so self-reflective jerry's got a little bit about what dave does uh in the compliment department as well yeah he does he he has trouble taking compliments i mean i i guess yeah people do struggle with they want to be confident but yet at the same time you don't want to be cocky but yet people like dave and jerry they really do need to acknowledge what they've done in the world and yeah jerry talked to dave about changing television and dave said the same thing about johnny carson i remember watching the uh the pbs american masters series uh the program about johnny carson which was just fascinating people really need to check that out and one of the first quotes was from david letterman and he said johnny was the gold standard and johnny johnny determined how things would be in late night and everyone following johnny was just trying in vain to be as great as he was yeah and jerry basically said the same thing to dave you know dave you are really the the standard maker and everyone following you is just a pale imitation and they can't compare to you yeah well uh and and that's how i feel i know that's how you feel uh it's it's so ironic to me not even crazy crazy is the wrong word it's ironic to me that somebody who is revered by so many and again it takes a guy like chappelle or seinfeld to even get dave publicly to even fathom accepting or or hearing the compliment um you know and and and but that is exactly who dave is uh he changed everything and had such a huge impact um and when you get a giant like jerry seinfeld saying that uh it carries a lot of weight um and and johnny carson did that for dave but dave finds it it seems like he finds it impossible to believe that there are guys like you and i saying well dave did did that for us dave totally did that um i found it fascinating uh you know on on along this vein where dave talked about how there were moments where part of the decision that they had to make and this is where you alluded to this earlier where jerry had larry david and if they found it funny it was all good but dave opened up and was a little bit vulnerable and said okay well we had pieces of comedy where our decision was how far outside the norm into the bizarre or whatever do we take it versus staying mainstream you know uh with with the uh the danger of isolating the audience or or separating ourselves from the audience just because it was really funny to us um and i think he used the word bizarre and i i was really glad to hear him say that i um i love how bizarre quote unquote uh and experimental i think that's even better word um that late night was and it was really cool to hear dave acknowledge it you don't hear that very often yeah definitely well and and probably part of that comes from his time slot i think that when you have the the 12 35 a.m eastern show i think that they have more freedom to do some different and bizarre things in that time slot and the the earlier time slot gets all the glory people talk about the 11 35 eastern time slot but you look at really what dave did at 12 35 you look at what conan o'brien did you look at tom snyder or you look at uh you know james corden ferguson i think that a lot of you know a lot of credit needs to go to those people that have been in the later time slot and some of the groundbreaking things that they have done well without a doubt uh uh driessen talked about that on on our episode too and how you know dave would be doing things on late night and um carson he kept car he talked about how i love this uh you know and people are saying you should isolate this out of the recent episode and throw it out there because it's not talked about enough how dave helped keep johnny hip because of some of the things that he was doing at 12 30.

they're linked up you know you got a mentor mentee uh uh when dave became hotter than anybody in america you know he's still coming on johnny carson's tonight show just how pissed are you you know that moment and and and and and not just that but the remotes that they did together uh and how carson actually you know lifted some of the things that dave was doing um we've had quite a few people actually comment to us about that i think that's something that's uh going to be neat to explore carson's not around to be uh you know to respond to it but but it's from a historical standpoint and that's where many of us sit is we love the history we love watching the evolution of it um the 11 30 guy many times keeps the or the 12 30 guys should say keeps the 11 30 guy more hip because of that uh creative range i think about craig ferguson he had a he had a guy you know a two-man horse team and a robot skeleton and all these things you know you don't get a chance to do that in the mainstream slot at 11 30.

you just don't that is true yeah so you got yeah you got to think about how how is the 11 35 guy impacting the other guy and vice versa and as you said yeah the 12 35 guy keeps the 11 35 guy hip and young and fresh and doing some new things or if you even look at arsenio hall oh and how he affected uh johnny carson too i mean johnny a lot of people tried to take down johnny arsenio was was the young fresh guy really doing hip things and johnny kind of felt those footsteps and there's a a great saturday night live skit uh called carcino yes it's uh johnny carson trying to be young and trying to be like arsenio and i guess johnny did not like those snl skits but i i found them to be really really funny and yeah so car carcino was johnny trying to appeal to a hip young audience and he an egg mcmahon trying to to act young it was really funny it was a funny skit it was brilliant dana carvey's uh johnny carson was was brilliant and again if we look at this from a a straight-up understanding that we revere johnny carson and there is no disrespect intended uh absolutely hilarious the reality being that dave helped keep johnny hip and and and um you know the idea and that was where you know carson really i i've read many of the same things uh that it was sketches like that arsenio changing the landscape and then also the idea we're talking about we've talked about this a little bit um in our in our community uh the letterman podcast community we've talked about this a little bit and and people have reached out and talked about this too um you know many of these talk show hosts um one of the things that that floats their boat or seemingly floats their boat is the idea that there are people they revere you know from a different part of show business and they have those people on and as those people start to leave the world you know talk about the jack bennies of the world and and and and people like that for for for johnny johnny's giants the giants the people johnny carson would call giants as they start to leave the world um you know the talk show host at that point has to either change or they get less interested one of the things that i love about uh about dave is that yes you know guys like carson and sinatra and rickles and and these guys have passed on but dave has a fascination and a curiosity for the gigantic stars of the day today you know you think about my next guest and and and we're going to at some point have somebody on to do a postmortem with billy about the billy eilish episode um and it's uh dave has a curiosity about these people who are becoming larger than life uh now that i just don't believe johnny carson really had at the end i think that's a big part of it too it's interesting to see johnny in his 60s and 70s and dave in his 60s and 70s and that is a major hallmark difference between the two in my opinion that is true and and people have been some people have been critical of dave and some people do say why is he having billy eilish on the show or kim kardashian or lizzo or people like this and but yeah i agree with what you said dave is being relevant to what's going on today and but at the same time sure i i want to see him have steve martin on the show or martin short or people like that but also the thing is dave himself is so engaging and just such a great interview interviewer and he he turns people on to these people that they may not know about and and a lot of people especially in my generation they don't know who cardi b is yep but you see dave interview her and you find out about her background and you find out that there's a lot and there's a lot more to her than you might think i mean she's talking about presidential history and you know cardi b talking about eleanor roosevelt and fdr and her appreciation for them and they was able to bring that out absolutely i i'm so glad we're talking about this because the people who criticized they missed the point this is this is this is dave kind of being the pied piper to to those who uh are enthusiasts of him saying okay well what's all the fuss about with some of these people you know what's all the fuss about with cardi b and then he does his research clearly he works hard at doing research for this stuff and and and how many people over the last six weeks or you know have you heard say wow i was so surprised about cardi b that's that's an episode where hey the will smith episode was great but that guy's a giant already and of course there's the uh you know there's the controversy that's that's there but just put that aside how many people have said i didn't know that about cardi b or billy eilish i've heard that so much and it's because dave comes at it from his unique perspective his ah gosh golly midwestern uh sensibility and curiosity and gives insight to so many people who only know these people at a passing glance knowing that they're making an impact with the kids and and and dave shows why and and and shows us that depth of these people it is remarkable to see um i want to get back to seinfeld for a second because i know we want to get to comedians and cars getting coffee as well because that that episode was was also uh in my in my viewpoint very very telling about the relationship between dave and jerry um i i uh uh i want to make sure we get there as well um was there anything else about the mine before we move over to the comedians and cars and and dave's appearance there was there anything else in this episode uh on my next guest that that we should we should touch on before we kind of merge over i guess not no i just uh as i said really the the main thing that i took away from it was looking at dave's contributions to the world and his contribution to making people happy and some people might think about okay you can only you're only helping people if you are if you are volunteering with with uh the red cross or volunteering with meals on wheels or the humane society and those causes are great those are outstanding that those are ways to help people but also jerry and dave have helped people too and just we we have so much uh appreciation for what they've done as far as bringing happiness to the world and that's priceless it's a great point um i'm glad jerry i've heard him bring it up in a couple in a couple uh different places i'm glad he talks about that um folks who who uh make it big um or or don't make it big for that matter uh folks who use their artistic skills their artistic license to impact people whatever that looks like like you talk about our world needs laughter right now anybody who can make somebody laugh especially doing it by the way not getting political they can do it in a in a benign way that includes kind of everybody uh or or if they are doing it you know light poking of fun that kind of a thing both dave and jerry are very good at that um you know do you do any trump stuff no i do raising stuff i love i love that entire segment of this episode if you're going to go back and watch this my next guest the idea jerry deconstructing his raisinettes bit uh really really good talking about it in the club more raising stuff just fantastic stuff fantastic stuff um the fact that they put smiles on people's faces or an artist that can evoke uh emotion um you know whether it's whether it's tears whether it's self-reflection all of these things um cannot be understated because we as a human like you look at how big the entertainment business is it's literally built around doing that with our emotions creating emotional responses whatever those are and and and the fact that uh and and by the way you know both men um i can't speak to to jerry as as well as i can to dave both men behind the scenes for the right reasons give to places like what you were talking about the red cross or or humanitarian type things one dave's first project after going dark um you know when the late show retire when he retired from the late show was the national geographic special talking about energy talking about making the world a better place you think about some of the guests he's had on that's him using his pulpit to try and make the world a better place while entertaining and and and i love that that is something that he is uh um um focused on i wish that he would see it the way jerry sees it though that his main occupation also does that it also makes the world uh a better place yeah and i know that on your uh your podcast with scott ryan he brought that up he would like to see more of dave talking about the world's issues what's going on in the world uh climate change or mental health or violence or different things like that but at the same time as you said you don't want to get too political because if you're too right-wing or too left-wing you're going to turn off half of your audience but you can talk about those things without necessarily saying uh you know i'm 100 republican or 100 percent democrat but you can you can definitely address those things that are happening in the world absolutely i mean you know i love how ov always dave dave would come out and say i'm a registered independent and he'd call it like he saw it you know um you know and and and then the idea of just making fun of whoever's in the in in the seat um you know and and that was his job uh doing that um yeah this is all such good stuff and again there's so much um here's a good way to segue over to community cards getting coffee this is this is one of the things i'll tell you this uh if there was a dvd or a blu-ray box set of my next guest where there were extended cuts this is the last thing i'll say about my next guest then we'll move over to canadians and cars because dave has actually even commented about this one time when he interviewed jerry about jerry's show about comedians and cars the how important editing is um i'll tell you this when i my last watch of my next guest the seinfeld episode um i was watching the edits and and and we've had we've had some folks who uh have been to my next guest tapings and and how many of them are our 90 minutes uh the conversation itself never mind with the video intercuts and things like that the conversation itself 90 minutes and they get edited down um obviously for time and there's a there's a there's a formula to it and people's attention span and all that but i felt that this episode had a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor did you did am i am i alone in that or did you think that might be the case as well with with uh convenience and cars you mean no my next guest no comedians and cars certainly certainly had a lot of stuff on the on the floor because yeah comedians and cars is very much just the highlights we're gonna just put the you know but i felt my next guest certainly had uh a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor i don't know yeah maybe they did and uh like you said maybe they could have like a dvd box set that would be the extended version the director's cut or whatever and and i don't know maybe it was a two-hour interview that was cut down to 40 minutes or whatever but no i i would be interested to know yeah everything that they did talk about and and with comedians and cars too yeah that's definitely edited down a lot and so there's i would be interested to see the uh the unedited cut of both of those shows yeah oh without a doubt well we had um irene hoffman rupert rupert's girlfriend who's uh she was at the tina fey episode and she said that that dave and tina talked for about 90 minutes she's going to come and do the post-modern montina fey and and because she has a a pretty pretty good memory of of many of the things that made the show versus that didn't make the show and we're gonna talk about that uh certainly if there was somebody out there who uh was at the taping and i mean it's a long time ago it's 2018.

that was the other thing too i talk about the dark years you know dave retired in 2015.

this show came out in 2018 it wasn't that long but boy did it seem because the world as scott ryan talks about uh he and i talk about that too the world changed in 2016 and i think the passage of time changed as well and the perception of time changed as well the idea that this episode was seinfeld which to me was just so good it was such a good episode um you know was only three years removed from when dave retired uh was very surprising to me so um anybody i hope that this is a good uh commercial for people to go back and watch that episode uh it was it was incredible now and i would do exactly the same thing that uh that rob and i did rob was like yeah let's let's do the post-mortem on on jerry but let's also talk about comedians and cars a little bit um i loved that episode a lot uh partially because we finally got to see uh as a mass audience as opposed to just a a photograph here uh maybe a small little video there of paul newman's volvo uh i because we we've heard dave talk about that i don't know how many times on the show dave talked about paul newman's volvo um you know but but we heard it a lot and again you talk about one of these guys that a talk show host reveres who thinks is real show business you know a giant paul newman's that guy paul newman um you know tricked out this volvo station wagon uh for fun and funny and and and dave chose that to be the car that got highlighted on comedians and cars getting coffee first off that car as far as i'm concerned was a character in the show sure oh it certainly was yeah they said it was 380 horsepower it was tricked out by paul newman paul gave the card to dave and we know how much dave looked up to paul newman i mean he was was the first guest on the late show he said where the hell are they singing cats and so i had that famous line and we how can we forget paul newman i mean race car driver movie star and you want to talk about making a difference in the world i mean look at paul newman not only through his acting but even more through his charity work i mean his his paul newman dressings and his other food he gave millions hundreds of millions of dollars to charity and so yeah dave really looked up to paul newman so it's it's just it's just an outstanding show i love comedians and cars getting coffee because i'm a car guy i i love cars i love antique cars i love classic cars so that's why i said i love jay leno's garage and all that stuff and so it's just an awesome show because i mean they have a different car every episode and jerry kind of tries to tailor the car who the comedian is they talk comedy they talk show biz they go and do a coffee shop and they it's a lot of the behind the scenes talk about comedy you know about the comedy store the episode of jay leno is great there's just so many episodes of that show that are just outstanding and it's really one that people need to check out that enjoy comedy and showbiz stories because it's so great in terms of behind the scenes stuff and comedy and showbiz well and before we get to that you you bring up a good point um a bunch of people around in my circle and i have been talking about legacy for for for a while now um you talk about this is another one of those guys again why start the letterman podcast uh now i'm aghast at how quickly people have forgotten johnny carson um paul newman's another guy where when you look at theresa and i talked about this with about frank you know aghast at how quickly people have forgotten and and you listen to tom get on his soapbox it's so beautiful like i i can't tell you how much i love because i i relate to it this is what i'm trying to do with dave and what not just i we all of us as a community who have these like-minded thoughts this is a giant and we're going to take the torch and we're going to pass it because we don't want to see happen what's happened to johnny to happening to frank you know theresa getting on his on his soapbox talking about how frank sinatra the biggest star of the world has ever seen and he's got like five points as to boom boom boom boom as far as he's concerned it's open and shut the you know the greatest star who's ever lived and and and there are so many people who don't even know who he is now and and when it comes to legacy paul newman same deal you go to any you go to freaking costco right arguably uh you know brick and mortar greatest volume uh uh store ever and you can see paul newman's face on some of the products inside that store we're talking millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of units sold every day uh is that paul newman's greatest legacy now you know and and it is from a standpoint of that is still continuing to generate dollars for and make the world a better place awesome what about the artistic legacy and and i think that we are so and i say we i'm saying you and i at this point but also people who are involved in all of our communities um are starting to recognize that and when it comes to legacy we do not want some of these people uh letterman i do not ever want him to be forgotten period so let's get it going while these people are still alive and with us and let's all celebrate it together and create this legacy phase uh while they're still here um i think jerry is doing that with comedians and cars getting coffee because he is still relevant and he's talking to some of these guys that are older guys who are no longer with us thank god he has an episode with norm mcdonald that we can go back and look at um and and and and i think about even like you know i've been thinking legacy a lot like that that stand-up special that just came out uh norm's last special that he did just a camera and then the panel afterwards with with chappelle and letterman dave dave squared um you know and spade and sandler and molly and and uh you know just is a really really important thing and i think comedians and cars getting coffee while it is cleverly edited they're short episodes they're um you know it's it's a very important show it's a legacy show man i just went on a soapbox myself there thank you for listening to all that well it is a legacy show i mean jerry had he had an episode with uh jerry lewis i mean one of those all-time comedy heroes and i think that was not before not too long before jerry passed away yeah but yeah it people can go and back and look at these episodes and they and jerry like a lot of other comedians they do look to the past and they look at comedians who influenced them he had an episode with robert klein who was a huge influence on jerry also and so i think a lot of comedians are good about doing that a lot of comedians are good at looking to the past and looking at okay i was influenced by milton berle or george burns or jack benny or people like that and and that's great that they do that i mean because we we have to acknowledge the comedy of today but you also you need to look to the comedy of the past and how have they influenced people from today when you look at johnny carson was really influenced by jack benny and you look at david larman was highly influenced by johnny carson and you have the next generation jimmy kimmel idolizes david letterman jimmy kimmel talks about growing up he was all about david letterman so he's really patterned a lot of his show after dave exactly and it is it is passing of torches uh in front of the camera it's passing of torches behind the camera it's passing of torches with the communities around that uh and staying with comedians and cars getting coffee again very telling um jerry interviews gary shanley again eerily close to when gary unexpectedly passed um you know the uh the the boxing joke i don't know if you remember the the the gary shandling episode but you know what uh the idea that you know at my funeral i want a boxing referee because gary chandling famously you know was a was an amateur uh or uh a recreational boxer and i want to i want a referee to come out one two three four and then to stop the count and say ah he's not getting a to stop the count and then like a few months later gary passes but then jerry has judd apatow on and judd you know talk about mentor mentee there's there's gary shanling's you know kind of heir apparent and and i'm so glad that all of us are doing this with dave now i want dave another 20 30 year hey technology show up here and gave us give us another 50 years of david letterman that's what i say so we can get these communities going and we can do that legacy uh justice so we don't have what's happened with with with carson and jack benny certainly jack benny i mean yeah you know the kids at least have heard of johnny carson jack jack benny what does he even look like you know um it's so they're important shows as well as entertaining and insightful um you know dave showing up there on comedians and cars it was you know pre-beard obviously um you know he's still doing the show um at the time it's before retirement and uh i just i i hope that that there's a sequel i hope dave goes on jerry's show again uh jerry's had a few repeat uh guests i certainly hope that he goes on the show again yeah hopefully he does and you know they they talk about the comedy store of course and i know that you're the same way i cannot hear enough about the comedy store in the 70s and i just i wish that i i had a time machine i wish back to the future really existed i could get into delorean and go back to the comedy store and see david letterman on stage and see freddie prinze and see jay leno and tom dreesen and uh you know jeff altman and jimmy walker and some of these amazing people go back to uh nbc burbank i wish i could go back there and you know just walk the halls at nbc burbank in like 1972 and johnny carson is taping over here you have laugh in over here you have the flip wilson show you have midnight special you know you have uh you know don ripples is doing cpo sharky down here and that would be just incredible rob you know like what you just are said and are doing um what i am attempting to do meagerly uh uh what don giller uh has done we are living examples of that and i'm not saying that with an ounce of arrogance i'm saying that with hope um you know what what we're all trying to do is be that delorean we're trying to uh you know we're self-reflecting i was i was once told that gen x was the first generation in north america and certainly in the modern age to actually have an intact childhood and to kind of keep it and i i totally believe that that is the case um and and the fact that we're trying to be time machines for these things um again no arrogance kind of like jerry talking about hey you know dave guess what we bring joy to the world that's a good thing we deserve to feel good for that we go through hell to do that we deserve to feel good about it kind of like that um it's a little bit of self-reflection as to how guys like you and i in our own ways uh i think about jay ryan i think about you know scott ryan as an author who's who's uh you know bill carter these people who are documenting these things or whatever we are the delorean and and it's up to us to do i'm so passionate about it that's why this show exists and and why the idea of us doing a letterman podcast network and and all the things that we're talking about uh uh doing i think about rusty and and the guys doing their their podcast you know um and certainly jay ryan carson comedy and all that i think seinfeld um because he's been doing comedians and cars for a long time it's been around for a long time now um i think that that's his way of of of immortalizing and giving back and being that time machine for people he's doing it for automobiles and comedians by the way he is oh yeah definitely yeah you look at the cars and you yeah you look at comedians of the past or you look at cars of the past and he he has talked about how a lot of the cars these days are just really boring and he misses the days when cars were really unique and you know you you'd really see some creativity out there in the automakers and creativity in comedians too some of the early comedians but uh yeah it's it's just a fantastic show and jerry and and dave go and walk around the hardware store and they talk about how dave just loves just being in a hardware store just the whole environment of it so that was pretty funny i've had a lot of people talking to me about um you know advice in the show uh in this show uh people who worked for dave for years and and some people who know who have known him for years and um the idea of of of if or when uh you know i have a conversation with him and and whatnot and um you know and this is also instinctual to me uh if i want to talk to dave about the past don't bring up hey remember that bit on late night hey remember that bit on late show when you did this and did that like be really really careful with that uh when it talking about nostalgia um and i want to ask him about nostalgia that's a question that i have for him that's that's one that i've already got in the in the in the hopper uh ready to come out um i want to ask him about his vantage point about nostalgia because it's fascinating to me he even says it in the in the my next guest with seinfeld you know um you know i'm not interested in revisiting bits that i've done in the past whereas jerry you know came on dave's show and did the entire first act that he originally did on late night right at the very end you know and dave contrasted that by saying i'm not interested in revisiting any material that i've done in the past but talk to dave about the days at the comedy store the people at the comedy store uh some of the memories of the comedy store and yes even the material said by him or some of his cohorts uh at the comedy store talking about george miller what was your favorite george miller joke oh god here we go we're off to the races like holy cow there's a conversation i would have with him about that and i know that it would be engaging and amazing and i think it would be heartwarming for him but that kind of a thing that talking about that time is something that dave is so open to doing um and loves to do and i just there's another reason you know the depth of of david letterman there's another thing that is fascinating don't talk to me about the nostalgia of anything i did but the soldiers at the comet store comedy store let's go all day yeah i think those dave probably looks back at some at that era as some of his glory days and yes he didn't have a lot of fame or money back then but i think that a lot of people they look back on early parts of their careers the really formative years where they were really learning about their place in the world and meeting lots of other prominent comedians and just i don't know i think that dave looks back on that period with some reverence well we know he does i mean on his show he a lot of times he would have people on the show from back in those days we know that he had tom driessen on his his nbc show and his cbs show a lot and jeff altman and other people from that period so that was a very important period in his life where he really learned a lot and just learned about the world in general and of course the world of comedy absolutely um god damn i hate how slippery time is when we start doing this you and i can do this all day and it's amazing uh i love it there's a couple little points i want to get to beforehand you're a car guy i'm a car guy uh and and we're also you know comedy and all that and and and um if and i don't know if you've ever played this game or not i certainly do with all of my quote unquote nerd friends you know i'm into the i'm into the comic books and all that other kind of stuff what would ever happen if you know thor fought superman you know and and and these dream scenarios and all that kind of stuff you bring up i don't know have you ever daydreamed uh if if you were ever to be on comedians and cars getting coffee what car would you want featured in that episode have you ever made that thought connection well i mean i i think that definitely one of my ultimate classic cars is a car called a duesenberg and some people may not be familiar with the duesenberg but during the during the depression era the late 20s into the 30s the duesenberg was the ultimate luxury car and they were back then a duesenberg would cost twenty thousand dollars in 1929 it was 20 thousand dollars keep in mind that's a bug model ford was 500.

so you could buy 40 40 model a fords to add up to one duesenberg and they have uh here in michigan there's a car place called the gilmore car museum they have a 1929 duesenberg on display that is just the ultimate in beauty and really a work of art i mean in the in the depression era gary cooper had a duesenberg and you know uh terry grant and the biggest stars of the day that's what they drove and jay leno has duesenberg so it's a classic car that is really unique and i so i think that that would be my ultimate car outstanding uh that's fantastic um yeah oh by the way uh michigan guy uh i've got a i've got a tour ford bronco that's been on order forever and there's a delay and all that could you go to the f could you go to the the plant and and see what the hell is going on for me i'd really appreciate it definitely definitely i can look into that yeah um thank you for answering that that duesenberg is a great answer i love that um you know before we and this isn't going to be your last appearance again we're in this thing for the long haul we're in this thing to build communities you are a community builder um on social media when it comes to all these things that we're talking about uh so for by the way you know rob kate's on facebook uh uh uh the rat pack group the letterman fans group um you know the the comedy america group all of these places rob's very accessible he's also joined you know come on board the the letterman podcast community uh the letterman podcast group on facebook you'll find rob and and as we all start to interact with each other let's build this community together thank you for being a community builder uh with the ones that you're doing and i love how iron sharpens iron we're sharpening each other you're going to come back on the show uh and and be a part of this more and more and more right like like i'm getting that confirmation on air okay good yeah thank you thank you yeah i appreciate i mean so much what you're doing and you know you've mentioned that i mean the other the other things going on i'm excited about the uh you know late night playset and what jay ryan is doing with that and doing that show out of his house with letterman's old set and i know that you're your producer mike you're canada mike and you're involved with that i love that show i love yeah what rusty's doing with wake the kids phone the neighbors and the whole letterman podcast network that is building it's just exciting to see because all of us lotterman geeks kind of have a place to commune and talk about this stuff which we're really passionate about oh and and and uh to to to use the phrase that we're all sort of adopting here and and again tributing it more more to come much more to come um as we kind of close up here uh is there anything else that you wanted to kind of go over um on on on either the my next guest or the comedians of cars getting coffee if you had any other notes that you wanted to talk about before we uh before we wrap this one up and then uh move on to uh uh you know our next phase of of of things is there anything else you wanted to go over with seinfeld and letterman no i i guess not i just yeah i appreciate the chance to get a good opportunity to talk about to my comedic heroes letterman and seinfeld and you know i yeah i just love the seeing letterman and seinfeld together i really enjoyed seeing uh julia louie dreyfus with dave and so then that whole seinfeld connection and i know how he looks up to her and i mean he had her on his final show during being part of the top 10 list and you know that dave could choose any 10 people to be on there to do his final top 10 list and so you know how much he looks up to julia and jerry i mean because both of them were they were two out of the ten doing that final top ten list so it's uh it's just cool to see what's going on with dave and and as you've mentioned just the fact that dave is still around dave is still doing things he's still relevant we have a we have more and more people interested in david letterman i mean we have the letterman youtube channel we have your podcast the other podcasts and just it's kind of a resurgence in the interest of david letterman right now and it's great to see you oh and thank god thank god 2022 it's a good time to be a david letterman fan i've said that before did we ever think that that would be the case uh thank god that we can say it uh couldn't couldn't have wrapped it up better myself um uh that is another episode of the postmortem uh i i will wrap it up in in a specific way in a moment here we just want to thank everybody i want to thank rob cates for for for being on here again uh first repeat guest and i'm glad it's you man again uh mad mad mad respect uh in the trail of breadcrumbs that led to this show uh which is gonna lead to other stuff we just don't know necessarily what that is yet uh what those things are yet but in the trail of breadcrumbs that led to this show your site uh your your david letterman fan page uh was pivotal in in many many many ways and and uh you know i'll get into that maybe another another another day a little bit um but but thank you so much i love that you are our first repeat guest that is fantastic uh thank you to uh our our sponsor uh the hello delhi uh you know rupert and may are doing some great things over there rupert g is just uh he's a legend himself even though again talk about talk about a guy who just deflects compliments like a ninja um you know but again a legend to us and uh and it's amazing to be doing things with rupert uh so thank you to the hello deli of course um uh i wrote a book with my wife a few years ago and it was it was it's a personal development book we went through uh uh we went through a struggle with our granddaughter she's all good now but she was an infant at the time and we spent a bunch of time at children's hospital and my wife and i learned a bunch of things through that book uh through through writing through that experience and we wrote it in a book um from her perspective versus my perspective uh we released that book the very first time that somebody came up to me with a copy of our book and said hey mike can you sign this to me uh the the inscription i put in was the way that dave left um the seinfeld episode on my next guest it's my favorite uh you know uh you know some people say cheers some people say kind regards when they finish a letter i say this often uh and dave said it i don't know where he got it from uh but it's my favorite way to sign off with somebody with a smile on my face but also serious because i'm a huge music fan dave finished that show jerry and dave are waving to the crowd and uh and and normally i finish the show by saying thank you and goodnight because that's that's uh a rally point for me thank you and goodnight the last letterman jacket all of that that's the last thing dave said on the late show that's not how we're ending this episode we're ending this episode with actually in my opinion the most clever way to sign off uh and i mean i've built it up way too much and people are just gonna be like oh so disappointed probably but it doesn't matter i'm a huge music guy and uh that night um when dave and jerry are waving to the audience thank you very much thank you very much dave said something and that's how we're going to sign off today so this is uh an episode of the post mortem of jerry seinfeld the letterman podcast with special guest rob gates uh my name is mike chisholm may all your favorite bands stay together goodbye everybody