Warren Zevon Historian Adam Unger Is Here And He’s Got The Goods!

hey I'm Steve Young and you're watching the Letterman podcast I hope you enjoy welcome once again to the Letterman podcast my name is Mike Chisum I'm excited about this episode now now this episode it's a long one it's a huge one but that being said uh I'm excited about I'm excited the reason it's a long one is we had a hangout uh and it's the first time that we really did that I a podcast Enthusiast of all sorts of there's all sorts of shows that I enjoy uh in this medium and and one thing that I do enjoy is when you have a podcast that's been established for a little while and then friends of that show just come in and have a bit of a hangout and that's what this episode is so it's a long one we're not going to split up into two parts it's just it's just uh uh you know three people uh two people and then three then it becomes three uh people hanging out talking about Letterman and stuff and and and it is a new guest um but you can tell right away that it's um I'm a little bit more relaxed than I normally am because Adam anger is a buddy of mine he he is and and I really appreciate Adam anger now who is Adam anger well we do give him a bit of an intro in in the actual show itself but uh the CO's notes version of it is he's Warren zon's official historian Warren zon of course a long storied history with late night and Late Show with David Letterman um you know absolute a part of the David Letterman Mythos whenever Paul schaer of course would take time off Warren would lead the band Warren made countless appearances on late night and Late Show with David Letterman uh I just really enjoyed um I just really enjoyed uh Warren's place um in and and and and when he passed away um way too young it was um it was a major blow for those of us who love the the company of David Letterman and Company and and it was uh a very emotional time when that happened and and the stories around that we get into some of that in the show with Adam here Adam Warren Warr is Warren's official historian he and I are very similar in many many many ways and uh uh we're just buddies and and and so we get together we start shooting the bulll this is kind of the first tilling of the earth of a Warren zon episode but we're gonna have Jordan zon Warren's son on the show here uh moving forward we're not exactly sure when that is but that's going to happen at Adam talks a lot a lot about projects that they have going on very very cool uh one of the things and it happens at the end of the episode some of you might not make it to the end of the episode it's two and a half hours long um you can reach him at adamw Warren zon.com now um he basically said if if anybody out there has any rare things about Warren or or or or Collectibles or stories about Warren you can reach out to him there um I can tell you that they're working on some box set stuff we talk a little bit about that in this episode and I'm going to let it unfold for you um you know I'm going to try and keep this intro as short as I possibly can but there is a couple other pieces of business that we need to do one other piece of business that we need to do uh over the holidays by the way this episode uh was shot before the holidays and there's a few things in it that have come to pass since then uh I talk about the Foo Fighter shirt that I love so much that I now got the food fighter shirt check out the video on YouTube that we have showing me getting unboxing unwrapping the the the food fighter shirt from Dan flarity again I'm so grateful for that uh we're going to be working on a campaign to get the food fighters on this show and um uh we talk about Darlene Love at that point there I thought maybe Darlene Love might come on the Letterman podcast I've since said that you know I've gotten some emails from her and we we've gone back and forth and and probably we'll we'll shoot something this year here kind of reviewing things which will be cool because then we can go through her career and not just focus on the Christmas of stuff um but any and there's a few other things we talk about um in this hang that we do we you know uh so so just so you're aware uh it was shot before the holidays now um over the holidays uh I had a a great kick out of a handful of folks who discovered our show for the first time it was very very cool to get messages from some people who do appreciate uh both the Deep dive and Letterman and the idea that that's what this show is all about and we do want to Deep dive and and and then celebrate and build a community all of that stuff uh this episode being part of that Community you know we just want to hang out and talk about stuff I I hope that we can do more of these episodes now that being said um one of the people who discovered our show really really likes it so I'm sorry for those of you who are annoyed by me that's just fuel for my fire uh he absolutely loves the all of the episodes from the beginning uh awkward ones before we started to find our voice uh some would say that we still are looking for our voice that might be true anyway his name is Andrew AER Andrew AER a Zer or in Canada as we say say a z r what is it AER I think so Andrew AER he lives in Massachusetts he reached out to me after having dis discovered our show and said uh that he's been binging it and and and I mean you know dude's pretty impressive I think he's 60s something episodes in uh it's pretty impressive that he he could do that and he's he's very excited about it uh and and messages me uh little details from each episode that he appreciated and that sort of a thing um amazing guy uh college professor and uh I just I just really appreciate the fact that this is where these connections are starting to form now we've got a couple of episodes with community members coming out soon uh but he Andrew uh is being highlighted in this episode of the Letterman podcast because he discovered something now for our listeners of the show I'm sorry I'm gonna try and figure something out for the listeners the people who listen to this thing audio wise uh join the Facebook group let us know if you if you're if you're a listener to the show rather than a viewer the Spotify video and the uh YouTube uh certainly get an advantage because of the showand tell stuff that we do this episode has a lot of Show and Tell in it um however Andrew discovered something that we have done from I don't even know when it was you know it'd be fun to find out which episode we we did this for the first time but right now in the bottom corner of my zoom screen it says Mike Chism normally it says the Letterman podcast with Mike Chism now most people people or nobody has has caught on to the fact or at least uh confronted me with by catching on with the fact that we spelled podcast wrong in the vast majority of our episodes we changed the spelling of podcast every single episode and um two people noticed it when the camera light when the record light was off the first was Bill Carter which uh I I thought might shake the first impression but no he was cool with it when we when he realized that we do this for every show and the second one was Eddie bril um and both of them didn't say anything about it publicly so I just left it Andrew one day uh messages me and I forget what episode he was on and he said hey did you know that podcast is spelled wrong in the in this episode I'm like yeah sure it sure did Buddy uh you're the first one to confront us about it so you are getting yourself a late show with David Letterman rejection postcard a real Bonafide Late Show with David Letterman uh uh rejection card we're going to send that to you congratulations thank you very much for um the patronage of your ear holes and your eyeballs on this show we thank you so much for that and um just excited for this uh for this new year that we are in excited uh for the inventive different types of episodes that we want to put out this year and uh we got a lot of lot of lot of surprises in store a lot of lot of irons in the fire as they like to say so um this episode of the Letterman podcast of course brought to you by hello dell.com go to hellodd deli.com uh correspond with Rupert G buy yourself some Late Show with David lman merchandise mugs and hats and all sorts of fun stuff and t-shirts and all the good stuff from hellodd deli.com uh please enjoy this episode with Adam hunger and special appearance by Don Giller Adam hunger um I am so excited about this because for a variety of reasons nice mug by the way sir go to hellodd deli.com you want to buy a mug like this right from rert um dude this is this is this is going to be the best in my opinion one of the best Letterman podcast we've ever had because it's just you and I shooting the bull we're gonna I want just give you a bit of an intro uh this is Warren zeon's guy what does that mean well we're going to get into that tonight exactly the definition in this case of the word guy we're GNA figure that out um and and uh but we might do that by way of a few other very cool interesting detours like what this guy is to the band Queen yeah he's something to the band Queen he's not just Warren zon's guy also he and I may discuss a little bit of pro wrestling so this is going to be friendship like you're going to be seeing friendship in Motion Plus uh full disclosure uh and I haven't talked about this very much on this podcast sorry Adam please thank you for indulging me here um you know the idea that we want to create a letterman podcast Network we want to create some communities uh of like-minded people who were affected by all of the Late Show uh or Letterman Mythos uh Warren zon certainly a big part of that um and and and I'm just really really stoked that um you and I found each other because I'm kind of wanted to be the Letterman guy you got yourself into being Warden evon's guy I want to talk to you about that um so I just wanted to give a you know normally I I re-shoot these but tonight because we got the Facebook live going and whatnot I wanted to kind of do it live I'm stoked that you and I are brothers from another mother and the first time we talked on the phone it was hours and it was just this great thing it's great that we're finally doing this there it is ladies and gentlemen of the Letterman podcast uh audience this is Adam hunger hi buddy hi thanks for having me and um we talked for months about doing this and um we almost did it one day you got a hold of me and said hey um I need a guest for this week and I wasn't able to do it because I had something going on with my kids y I think we gymnastics class or baseball or something Y and the next episode was dick cabitt so I guess was I the person keeping dick citt from being on the show and is this supposed to be dick citt part two and he got B because I was available um um I hope absolutely everyone G be angry with me if I preempted dick CIT uh no you know what um dick Cavit was uh one of those little things that I can't believe kind of stayed a secret uh don Giller knew uh Walter Walter Kim knew uh with with pants um you know because I that was one I wanted to kind of make sure you know it not that it wouldn't have been fine but I I I make sure with some of them that were were cool um and I get advice on that so so yeah they were aware of it as well but I don't think did I tell you I told you didn't you didn't I didn't tell you yeah you kept that secret from me too yeah I'll hold that against you yeah no kidding that was a good one um I mean dick anything with dick cavat is a good one and so but I am really really excited one of the things I want to talk about today by the way is um because you know Jordan Zeon is going to be coming on the show yep um and and excited about that I want to do a bit of a bio of Jordan obviously Warren's son obviously you know the Wallflowers connection obviously uh you know recording um oh well maybe maybe not so obviously a lot of folks may not know that he's you know uh an artist in his own right and and and and so I want to really make sure we introduce the audience to him that way as well but it connects directly to what you're doing so there's a little uh preview for the audience let's talk about you did you start with Queen first and then move over to Warren zon was it vice versa where did you get into this what do you do now and where did you get into uh being the guy as I'm aspiring to be the guy in a certain way for pants how did you do it it's a it's a long weird story that um isn't terribly interesting but we'll tell it anyway since is to me my friend it is to me so I grew up being a queen fan Queen was kind of the first band I got into being you know 11 12 years old yeah that's a result of Wayne's World yeah I think everyone around my age that's how they discovered the band um and I think Beatles have fans like this too where they're almost obsessive about it where they get every version of every album different mixes and the bsides and edits and you know that's will and John Giller by the way that you're describing right there they have both of that with the Beatles for certain yeah so that's me with Queen yep and um it went from starting at 12 years old to now 30 years later and I got introduced or connected with their official archivist um his name is Greg Brooks he works for the band and we first connected around 2005 or so um the band was looking to put a compilation together of their singles and bsides yep um so we we first met that way go ahead another 10 years to 2017 um Queen and Adam Lambert are going on tour in America and I'm I'm immediately irritated that there's no new Queen product to support that and why would you have this big tour and not have a product available for the American audience something related to America something so um I sat down I I bought my tickets and then I designed probably about five different product Concepts fully um and sent them to him and he remembered who I was and he loved what I did and he kept asking for more input and some of this stuff did make it to the band's management and was considered but more so it started a relationship that at the same time the queen movie was going on that was being filmed and a lot of his time was being occupied by dealing with the minutia of Hollywood and props and anything Queen related so at the time uh virgin music was licensing out Queen catalog to a company called di agustini in Italy um so it was a set of 25 vinyl records and each record came with like a nine-page book yep and he was prob about halfway through writing the text for those books and he sent me an email one day and Saidi just can't figure this sentence out or this paragraph out for one of the albums um tell me what you think and being pretentious I rewrote the thing and send it back to it also what an opportunity what an opportunity I happened to be off work that day I got that email and I sent back a response right away he liked what I did he said great we'll credit you on that and then he said well here's ones we have done so far take a look at them and tell me what you think and one one thing of credit I will give him he's very open to outside suggestion and if it's better that's what he goes with and he doesn't have an ego about him that's how we improve right it is um he said to me if we're going to work together we need to be completely honest and if it's bad it's bad if it's good it's good so um I gave feedback to the ones he did already he said I could use your help for the remaining 12 albums so the final 12 albums of that set um I got to help write the booklet for it okay is this at this point here how old are you when this happens uh 37 37 okay you tell 21y old Adam that this is gonna happen in like 15 years it would blow his mind okay and this is something that you and I this is something think you and I have a lot of these moments where you tell the 21y old version of ourselves this would happen you and I have both I think one of the things we have in common is we have a lot of both of those kinds of moments great opportunities right that have led to mind-blowing moments so yes unbelievable so you were the credited in how many of the 19 albums 19 books so like 16 17 of them 13 or so and that led to another gig there was an official Freddy Mercury book that came out called the life in his own words y um so I worked with a team and Greg sent me a bunch of interviews to go through and then sent a ton of audio interviews so I listen to literally hundreds of hours of Freddy Mercury audio interviews and it was transcribed for the book that's amazing it is amazing and I got really interesting access and it was interesting to see how Freddy reacted against different interviewers or depending on what mood he was in he was a pretty private person so when he was comfortable with someone it was a much different version of him it was a lot more candid um and to everyone listening we will get to DAV Letterman oh eventually but we're gonna get to war no no no we're gonna get to Warren zon too though um that led to an opportunity to do a box set um Queen's album from 1989 called The Miracle can I ask a question about Freddy first can I ask can I can iump and ask um okay so so so one thing that's come up on this show a bunch of times talking about musicians is that um or or people that Dave has interviewed that might be um on more the infamous side than the famous side sure Warren is part of that crew yeah I mean I think Warren's a guy on the edge but then you got a guy like Kanye sure you know um but the the example I use and Kanye is probably an extreme example of it I mean you could use softer examples too like Chappelle would be a good one um that folks who are that high level of an artist okay and certainly on that list uh but of course Freddy Mercury like might be the top of the list when it comes to that if you are to accept the genius that they put out there we need to give a bigger width and breadth for the fact that they are such an artist that may live in the moment at that emotion at that time or whatever and give them sort of a a wider Highway when it comes to communicating because these people get misunderstood Freddy would be an example of that I think so um being a private person and also someone I think wasn't interested in talking about himself right um I think he saw outwardly he said his work was disposable and it was a product frdy Mercury said that yes it was like a big razor blade it was disposable I don't think he believed that but I think it was a good defense mechanism um in interviews and I just don't think it's something he enjoyed very much um I think he liked the fame he liked the money he liked the attention yeah I don't think he liked the the pretense or the fakeness of what an interview is he didn't really want to sit around and talk 15 minutes about behan rapity which he might have written 15 years ago right right right right right I just don't think that was part of the job he really enjoyed um with that being said there are interviewers he enjoyed being around and there's a difference when he was in an interview with the rest of the band he was a lot more open and it wasn't all focused on him and it got to be spread around a little bit gotcha also would he have a character like like that that's the one thing I I want to know about some of these people like like I want to talk to co bear coar obviously played a character forever you know and then he comes over to Late Show is he another character right now is it the real deal um Freddy would be one that I would I would say you know what when he's in band mode he probably gets into character and just you know that's he's he's a pro he's an expert he's you know that he's that darn good um I think in private life though private life he was quiet I'm assuming yeah his close group you know group of friends um sound like anybody we know sounds like a lot about someone we know right um you know maybe seems like they're aloof to others yeah um but also with Freddy there's another aspect of that where you're looking at someone um who is gay in a time where that's not accepted um and then you have a situation later in his life he's dealing with having HIV and AIDS yeah um which you know if you grew up at that time and can remember there was a huge stigma about it um that affected the late night crew by the way um you know you know a lot of lot of real under the under the armor uh parallels here yeah and York it's a thing it's a thing with him it's not only protecting himself his friends his family yeah his career his bandmates um you know they ran into some trouble in the mid 80s in the US where they weren't as accepted yeah um if they had a video where they dressed in Drag and that did not go down well for the MTV audience and you know stuff like that affects the career um thankfully we're past that um and it's more accepting but at the time that wasn't the case so I think that's why he was guarded a lot of the time did that happened with queen was there a was there a backlash against Queen yeah um big time so huh probably I thought it was a cooling off period and Wayne's World brought it back it was a long cooling off period it's about a 12E cooling off period um they had a huge 1980 with the game um they went to number one had two number one hits with yeah another one bites the dust a Crazy Little Thing Called Love yeah the follow iconic both of those iconic songs and you couldn't find two more different songs um but then you go to the next album which is released the same year which is The Flash Gordon soundtrack yeah which is not a an album you listen to in the car with your friends it's it's a real movie soundtrack and it's not really accessible that's followed up with basically a dance disco album called hot space that was not accepted well um they went to a different record company uh Capital Records there was a Peola scheme issue with um Capital at the time um anyway the next album The Works was doing well but it kind of fell off the the radar yeah um they released a few more albums and it really wasn't until he died that they came back into prominence um they were kind of seen in the US at least is just an old classic rock band whereas in the rest of the world um they were still the Elite um it also didn't help they didn't tour here after 1982 with Freddy so that that kind of didn't help it became a chicken or egg situation they're not touring until there's a big hit and they're not gonna have a big hit until they tour again so now that being said was it live a that brought them back or was that a false start um I think that's overstated especially in the US um the movie kind of plays it off differently um they were touring throughout 1985 they were in Japan a few weeks before live a um obviously live a was a big shot in the arm to them because they did have an incredible performance yeah um and that led them to go back in the studio after they were going to take a bit of a break y but for those people that saw live eight in the US on MTV part of their performance was eaten up by commercial time so they performed like three songs and they came back in Midway yeah we will Rocky or something so that says something yeah yeah yeah they went to commercial during Queen so yep they just they they were kind of a thing of the past they were the in thing at the time um f Freddy was in was Freddy in um oh what's it was it called uh all they want for Christmas time remember the We Are the World there was the British equivalent of it Freddy was in that wasn't heid Thea yeah do they know it's Christmas do they know it's Christmas um they were invited to take part but I think they were on tour with their album works at the time got Bob gof the you know guy who runs who ran Live Aid and and that whole charity thing is really close with Roger Taylor the drum from Queen yep um speaking which Roger performed on the 30th anniversary edition of that song that came out a few years ago so um regardless no they were not part of that um as they were busy doing their own thing at the time yeah um there also go ahead sorry no no no no I've got a I've got a question is going to take it a different direction so what was there was some backlash at the time too with the band because they performed at Sun City um right of course that was a big un hotspot um artists were encouraged not to perform in Sun City there were a few that went against the UN mandate Queen was one of them yeah um because it was a really big paycheck and it probably hurt them um in terms of public opinion but um it was a big paycheck and I understand that do you remember the song I ain't gonna play Sun City I do yeah yeah yeah no no no I I uh God I appreciate taking this rabbit hole with you here um now when you talk about uh Wayne's World um and again this is where you and I are like again right on the same parallel um Don Giller might join us tonight just so you're aware he mayc in with us yeah um if we're just shooting the and uh he feels like it he's uh man he's working on something pretty crazy for our episode and I just could I can't thank him enough for that but he may pop in with us but my question is this is it dick CIT is Dick CIT episode 100 uh you know what I'll I'll I'll I'll start teasing it now uh don Gill not on it's dick C I feel like you might be part of this thing dude like seriously especially once we get into a couple little zon factoids uh Dawn is building a compilation of the Letterman podcast and so far it's probably going to be a two or three parter um he's looking for a script for you by the way he just commented on the Facebook live so he is watching right now good not put to work come on buddy come on in the water's warm we're gonna talk Warren zon um and by the way uh don Giller sent me a picture that Dan kellison gave to us uh a couple weeks ago and I sent it to you because I knew it was a Zeon thing and um you identified the back of the album cover in the picture so that was oh yeah that was really cool so yeah um I'm just getting that because Don's watching on the Facebook and now it feels like worlds are colliding this is great this the first time we've ever done this thank you for doing this with us um let's go from uh okay I have in my head around the same time that Freddy Mercury died within six months to a year Wayne's World's out am I am I wrong right or wrong with that he died November of 91 I want to say Wayne's World probably came out in April March or April ail of 92 okay so Confluence of events I would think where one kind of where you know we always uh re-examine the artist when they're gone and and and there are many people who are Johnny come lates or whatever but I just remember High School um I would put akin to back then there were two bands that kids were discovering that their parents loved one of them was the doors and the other one was Queen and to me that's like when somebody you know like in high school now discovers Nirvana or they discover you know the Chili Peppers or even Green Day or something like Billy oish was on she on Letterman's thing and she talked about how much he loves Green Day uh to me those two things are would be like on an SAT exam they would be kind of comparable to each other is that there's there's an interesting Confluence of things that happened around that time too yeah so you have him dying which of course is a big media event you know a rockstar AIDS um you have Wayne's World y um then you have the Mercury trib yeah that video was number one when they were in that Gremlin yeah like that was that was massive you saw like you saw that all summer it was everywhere it was number one on MTV and much music up here in Canada like that song was everywhere what's interesting the song went to number two in the US that year in '92 um I think before that when it was originally released it only went to number nine there you go which is incredible um but at the same time you have the Freddy Mercury tribute concert which happens also in April so that's a real interesting thing because that was all over MTV and then you had artists like Elton John very famous performance y um Metallica seal Lisa Stansfield George Michael um da leopard um so anyone who was anyone at that time including current popular artists like they were an artist who loved Queen yeah exactly and that kind of made it okay and opened up the door to kind of get into their music a little bit easier so if Metallica is perform in Queen songs well maybe I might like Queen too so I think that played a big part of it too oh man I love I love talking about this with you now okay uh what else do we need to know about Queen and how do we Bridge it to uh obviously obviously you're you're Gathering experience so when you start with Zeon you know you've already got a bunch of experience in the head and you you've got ideas and all these sorts of things so you had Direction already how did the bridge happen in terms of how became a zon fan or how I got to end up doing this both man yeah like I want to know how you went from being the guy that Queen is starting to depend on and working in collaborate with um why Warren zon and how did it did it did it develop so my fandom of zon started it kind of false started four or five times okay before it actually sunk in yeah um I'm sure as us being similar age um we both stayed up real late and we watched TV and we were allowed to and it was great yeah um my my sister and we weren't allowed to sometimes that's right yes the deal was my sister would go to her friend's house and I was allowed to use her room which had a tape deck and a TV right and in you know 1989 that was a big deal yes so I'd stay up and of course Satur Night Live yeah was getting hot red hot at the time yep enough so that Wayne's World became a movie um and the other thing arino Hall was a huge deal absolutely his sh ran watching 89 to 95 yeah and his show was so accessible y um because in retrospect Carson is amazing and we love Carson yeah but at 10 or 11 years old to me Johnny Carson was something my grandparents watched yeah and there wasn't a version of that for younger people yes and Areno kind of broke that open and the interesting thing is when I was done watching Areno I was caffeinated on Mountain Dew and had Doritos in me and at 12:30 it was late God I miss the 90s brother yeah well this is late 80s and early 90s yeah no I miss it I miss it but then it became there was nothing else on and the only other thing was late night yeah and um we finally talk about Letterman a little bit I know the tone of late night and I'm not going to say anything unique here that has been said in your other 90 some episodes say it anyway the the tone was so unique compared to everything else yes um even from the show opening you had this weird droning synth and the camera going down the street through the buildings there's a dog and it's amazing and then the show opens you have this really weird band that's like it's all moo synthesizer and rock then letterin comes out and compared to what I'd seen from Areno which again I think Areno is amazing I think he did a great job with both virgins absolutely but Dave just came out with an unreal confidence and you like Le before you like Zeon Harvey Goldberg I want to say hi to him and I just want to say that you like Letterman before you like Zeon yes interesting okay thank you I just wanted that distinction there uh because I also accessed Warren zon through Letterman in many many many respects I think a lot of us have just like you came along to Queen with Wayne's World to me both those things what they have in common is fresh perspective it starts to collide a little bit as we go forward to um it got to be I love watching Dave because you even being 11 or 12 years old it was really easy to break down the show because I knew after that monologue there's going to be something wacky that would happen it'll be stupid petrick or the pop 10 list yeah or something wrong would happen in the show and Dave would make fun of it the whole night um he might have a horrible guest which was awesome to watch because he would just skewer them y or if it was a guest that he absolutely loved like Terry gar yeah the show was amazing I just watched her I just watched her compilation from Don Giller the Terry gar stuff if you haven't seen David Letterman Terry gar Don Gill has like I believe it's a six part deal uh like it is and it's an evolution watching from the beginning to the end you see them both age it is trippy and it's also extremely entertaining I apologize for interrupting buddy no you're fine um but then he also had prime time specials yes oh The Prime Time specials oh they were so good I was allowed to watch those because up you know my parents would watch them with me yeah so they I think it was like Thursday night um the 10th anniversary one came y um because I remember the bumper Dave came on and said I feel I feel just as sick as you do about preempting La law I'm like that is such a great line um I think it I think cheers wasn't on and whatever I think wings or whatever came after cheers at the time and it was so good and we taped it and my dad and I would watch it and we would cry from laughing so hard yes um yes and and then of course he went to CBS and we started taping the shows at that point before we get there can I ask you can I ask you and again yeah you and I have not pre-done this at all which is exactly the genius like again we're watching two friends just shoot the everybody uh it just happens to be there will be a lot of Letterman and stuff as the collateral of us just shooting the um oh God I forgot the question I had it there the preemption um um um this is where live streaming doesn't work well on Facebook this is where we need an editor oh no I'm keeping it in I love it I love showing that I get brain farts when it comes to this stuff um it'll come back to me okay so uh nothing like dead silence yeah I was talking about going to CBS yeah but I wanted to talk oh yes thank you you did it um you lifted the car out of the pothole thank you so much um so I have a memory of on a Thursday night a similar preemption uh but not a letterman it was The Comedy Store I think it was the 15-year special did you see that how Mandel uh uh uh Yakov smof um um um um and Letterman did a set and he brought a special top 10 list and that was another moment just like those anniversary shows that I loved I loved when he would appear on something else because it happened so rarely I was gonna say it's amazing to me that he would do that because that doesn't seem like something they would have done exactly and then there was a bob casus interview um if you're gonna watch it everybody later oh yeah and then and then because it's it's a raw version of it too on Don Gill's Don's got the raw version of you know the the cus interview and it is fantastic I just wanted to note those two things I think were seminal for me um in late night Memories the the the anniversary specials for sure because they caught you up on older stuff also the only thing I wanted to add otherwise were you aware of Lawler and Kaufman um by that point was that another one of those moments where okay so you weren't so that was another big one for me before he moved to CBS the Lawler thing because we're both wrestling fans we're both big wrestling fans we are big wrestling fans I don't say that out loud very often but I am um I didn't become aware of the Lawler thing until years and years later um but it's interesting to see him on other shows because you can tell how uncomfortable he is being interviewed on cus and you can tell he respects cus so much and that's why he's doing the show he does a great interview with Costas but during all the commercial breaks you can tell he he's hating every moment of it or it seems as though he's uncomfortable absolutely by the way Don Giller says that the comedy store special was in uh 88 um I I'll tell you this thanks Don yeah thank you buddy um I H and by the way Don Giller loves to be called buddy loves that buddy um honorary Canadians oh absolutely absolutely I mean he could run the place I mean uh you know I'm I'm certain he could um but anyway yeah so so so then the move to CBS which is another again uh zinaman talked about that when he was on the show he said that people who were in high school when The Late Shift happened or early college it seared in their brain differently than it seared in other people's brains was that were you aware of it as it was happening and did you jump on the Letterman trade at that point me too absolutely it was huge for me I was a teenager by that point yeah and Leno was projected as being such a villain yes and such the first time he was yeah the first time he was and to me he just seemed like a dork I didn't want to watch that show right because and I think Jimmy Fallon gets a lot of the same Flack now um Fallon did a really good interview where he said he does his show the way he does because he wants everyone on the show to win he wants everyone who comes on to get across well and win and do well yeah Letterman isn't quite like that with Letterman you need to come on it you need to perform you need to earn your spot to be on that show and if you earn it you're G to get something real special yes and also with Dave if it's someone that he personally likes Warren would be one which we'll talk about that momentarily absolutely um Terry gar comes to mind obviously Robin Williams but it's also someone like a Peter Lali who's not used to being on camera da will take care of that person and it'll be amazing interview connect everybody Adam and I are both gigantic Peter Lali fans and for those out there who are in the same boat you understand the appreciation that we have for this guy he is uh I mean I I I've heard that he's not really uh perhaps up to do a uh to do a zoom um I do have a couple ins there and and and I I I would very much I I'll tell you this I there's one thing I want to talk to Peter Lali about it's Jack Rollins um you know Dave Dave's legendary manager um I don't want to plug another podcast but there's a Carson podcast which is how I came across to you by the way are you kidding me you Mark Mark malo's episode is how you found us out well it was more of I really liked the bill Carter episodes yeah so I started searching Bill Carter for podcasts and I'm like oh there's a letterman podcast too so that oh my God The Late Shift there it is right there uh also there's a parallel seminal and also it's what brought us together uh just to go back to Areno for a second I think with Areno he for the first time gave me permission to like two talk shows um because to me Letterman and Carson were under the same sort of I wouldn't call them one talk show but it's like Godfather one Godfather 2 and Godfather 2 is the one that I just absolutely you know and and and and so but that being said um then you like Aro like along the way my golden age of talk shows my golden age is daveon L show Craig Ferguson and Conan on TBS that's my that's I every single episode every night a lot of the time and definitely DVR and caught up on everything um I think arcenio gave our generation permission not to be a because some people were a dick cavat guy or a Johnny Carson guy you know and and and that certainly wouldn't have happened with me growing up I would have woried everything that those guys did safe to safe to say we match on that yeah I'd say so I think the whole Dave and Jay thing kind of made it that way though going forward um yeah so but when he moved to CBS it was a huge event obviously Y and the show was so fantastic and as I said when he got a guess that he really liked and enjoyed it made such a big difference yes he had um a guest on I can't remember the gentleman's name Donald jump in will know but um he was someone who was on the autistic spectrum and I think it he was on a documentary called brainman and it's someone who could um do math in his head he could recite pie you know for hours on end yeah and was such a Charming interview with Dave um because he was genuinely interested in the person he helped him out on the show and it was fascinating back and forth and to me it's an it's an interview like that why I became a Dave guy and not a Jay guy because it's not something I don't think Jay could have done because Jay's not a broadcaster and that's the big difference with B he is a broadcaster he just happens to be a comedian too it's a completely different mindset um and again growing up I loved staying up and watching um Tom Snider after Dave oh God absolutely shout out to Anie by the way anarie is gonna be part of our group an Mar's gonna be part of our group when I talk about this the idea of a letterman podcast Network and other and special projects and all that we we're assembling a group around this thing and uh she's gonna be one that gets invited into that fold as well she's got a some cool stuff with anarie Snider so thanks for bringing up Tom that's fantastic the great thing with Tom and Dave eulogized Tom perfectly and Dave Falls in this category to it didn't matter who's on the show you watch it because it was Tom you watch it because it was Dave um I do that too exent with Rogan now yeah yep you know fantastic elong the other day like oh my gosh oh yeah totally controversial at times but Unapologetic about it that again sound like someone we know you know um um sensitive like and I mean you know he's got ways around it and he's got you know he doesn't look at comments and things like that but still totally sensitive about about stuff the the the Neil Young Thing killed him and you know he put out a he put out a a beautiful humble video about it so yeah anyway so um I I I I think there's a lot of similarities with with with Rogan and Letterman as well ones that go way below the surface he's my number one guy for uh my next guest if if Dave could talk to anybody on this planet I would want him to talk to Joe Rogan um because you know it would be a a doid do where Dave would appear on Rogan's podcast tell me that wouldn't be absolutely epic I don't know if he would do it I know I know but if he did holy um what was the original question Zeon right I Zeon thank you buddy anyway as we get into Dave and I you know we became nightly Watchers of David it's and if not we taped it and let's go back a little bit my first exposure to zebon was Wolves of London so 12 I got my first CD player my brother-in-law has the time Life Sounds of the 70s and 1978 it's We Are the Champions with Queen yep and Werewolves of London is on it and Dream Weaver by Gary Weaver and Low Rider by War nice oh that's that's good stuff but it occurred like I I kind of put Warren zebon at the time as a 12 or 13y old in this in this group of um maybe comedy musicians or maybe comedy is not the right word but maybe kind of like a like a Disco Duck thing with Rick D's or or Kung Fu Fighting was on that CD I was gonna say or like the bare naked ladies from Canada yeah exactly like yeah real personality and you don't really it's got a little bit of everything and yeah or maybe like a Dr Demento kind of thing or just not a not like a serious artist I saw as a novelty app that's what I'm looking for yeah so that was my first experience then we come around to Letterman and there's this guy filling in for Paul yes and I remember my dad and I watching it that week he that first week he filled in and I'm like oh that's the werewolves guy but it was a it was hilarious they did this bit of um if it doesn't work out there's a guy that kind of looks like Paul that'll fill in if that person doesn't work out we kind of have a guy that looks like Warren that's gonna fill in but Dave's mood was great because you could see he loved having waren there yeah and just like Paul Warren had a hot mic and he would interject and it would be so funny yep and just it fit the tone of the show because Warren like Dave and the show it's kind of offbeat it's kind of one of those things if you know you know it's cool um and of course they the normal Letterman stuff they do small town news yep and Warren does the theme song and I remember seen that for the first time I was like holy he's really good he is really a good musician yeah and of course the the bumpers before they come back from commercial they seem to be a bit more extended where they let Warren play some more and I'm hearing these songs I've never heard and like this guy is really good he's playing guitar and piano and singing and harmonica the whole deal go ahead can I ask question raise your hand yes Mike was he just playing his own music at that point was it just his stuff okay yeah that's yeah I I think it's worth illustrating to the The Listener who might not know that that that when came on okay and I want to talk about that that's something that I that's on my checklist of things to want to talk about here tonight is that that there were nights where correct me if I'm wrong every song played was other than the themes were basically a Warren Zeon original correct yeah and I think Warren came came in with music written out he wrote out music of rearranging popular songs whether be you know Britney Spears oops I Did It Again or whatever it was was and Dave's like no play Zeon stuff we we don't want that other stuff that's why Warren's here don't do what Paul does don't play the pop culture stuff be yourself completely yeah be Warren and Warren was cool doing whatever um I remember there's one night he did um Steve Winwood song it was probably back in the High Life Again because Warren did cover that for a Later album and Dave brings it up why are you doing playing a Steve Windwood song and Warren responds I'm fatigued by my own work which I like that response um yeah so I dig it I learned a little bit more of Warren from this that sounds so smart yeah it is and it's witty just like that totally um so we keep going and I continue learning about music and you know Warren zon is more than just the werewolves guy but I kind of still don't care yeah um I get to College um my junior year of college I am flat broke I am out of money I'm so screwed in life at this point um take a semester off College I'm just working hard trying to make things happen such a horrible rock bottom but it was also fun yes you know because no one really expected anything out of you because you weren't anything at that point so anything's Improvement yep um I had this friend who I went to high school with his name's Tyler bresler hi Tyler and he's that one dude that you know that knows more about music than you ever will yeah um he's the guy that tells you about Lou Reed and The Velvet Underground and tells you about these bands like the smoking popes and these people you've never heard of before I've had like four people in my life that has that role for me almost like a musical Sage yeah and no matter how experienced or what I know he will always know eight times more than I do yes Don Giller is that for me so too is Will Lee those are two guys in my life right now that like I love talking about the Beatles with them like you know um now and then just came out I wanted to know both their their their perspectives on it right because it feels like you're it at a Wisdom Tree and uh and I absolutely love that um yeah super super super cool so this Tyler guy messages me on AOL insta messenger that's what the kids used at the time or icq or something like that can I say something real quick can I say something real quick Don Giller just chimed in stage manager uh corki who I oh gosh love to have a conversation with corki would sing um a Warren zon song during the final break with Warren oh that's great I very very very cool okay so questions to ask Jordan that's GNA be one add that to the list add that to the list of question ask Jordan Zeon when he com yeah no but a cool discussion point though yeah just yeah and maybe we can get footage maybe we get footage of it and show it to him so my buddy Tyler says to me on messenger or whatever hey man um I'm gonna see Warren zon tonight for like the fifth time um Tyler went to Boston University or Boston College he's like do you have you ever seen Warren seon live I said no he's the werewolves guy that fills in for Paul sometimes and he's like you have to listen to his music so he sends me a copy of um perfectly legal not an MP3 off Napster or anything no anyway never not our generation not our generation yeah that stuff ended with that we took a stand yes yes we did we were forced to because queso was destroying our hard drives anyway yeah thank thank you L Al for showing us the way um anyway anyway he sends me a copy of um rolling the Headless Thompson Gunner Y and I was blown away because with music you're used to being like you know verse verse Verse Chorus yes and then a slightly different version of the verse yes chorus repeated yes and that's the song yep format you complete format yeah so this was completely not format here you have a 4minute story that is a song um and it blew me away that you know there's a whole little world that happens in this and it's not just here's a hook here's a couple verses and here's the chor repeated and is it like country music in that regard I think so yeah I think but it's more folklore tone Americana Midwestern Americana perhaps I don't know I don't know how to say but it tells a story The Way country a good country song does right yeah correct I think it's more Bob Dylan than it is Metallica you know ah thank you thank you yes great and the lyrics just jump out at you and Dave has talked about this ad and I don't want to repeat his points but they're incredible um evocative I think is the word he used and when I first heard Werewolves of London the lyric a little lady got mutilated L late last night blew my mind because you don't hear like it's so violent but so funny at the same time yeah it's lighthearted so uh from that there's um a two dis compilation called um I'll sleep when I'm dead I got a copy of that and I didn't really listen to it I just went by the wayside um the wind came out of course famous Lee Warren was on Letterman for that full hour which I'm sure we'll get to that yeah and I I enjoyed that but I still wasn't hooked and it wasn't until I got to be about 27 it's that point in life where you have a career you're successful you you have relationships and it all falls apart on you and you're like holy crap I'm 27 and I don't know what I'm doing yeah and as a result you go to the bar with your friends and and at this point in life when things I mean life was still fine but just it wasn't on the trajectory I thought it was going to be so you go drinking with your friends and at that bar um there's a guy named John Thompson um he went by JT Blues he still performs in this area and he would perform and we got going there so often he would come over and sit with us and hang out between his sets and you know you've been drinking and going to the bar too much when the musical guest NS you are um so we'd go right away we'd throw 20 bucks in the Fishbowl and he'd play whatever we wanted to here all night so I was requesting stuff like all right now bu free and he happened to do were Wass of London one night I said do you know um roll in the Headless Thompson Gunner he said no but I know some others Evon and he played Lawyers Guns and Money which I didn't really know um and my best friend was with me at the time best man in my wedding his name is Jamie by Jamie oh this is a great moment you're discovering a beautiful Warren zon song with your future best like that's a core memory that's a core memory it was a core memory and he looks at me he goes who is this I'm like I think it's Warren Zeon he's like do you have this I'm like I think I have it and from that point we went home and that 2 CD set was in my car for five years and it's all we ever listened to and it started with that since then I've got my life together everything's good but at that like that one summer was rough and uh I think there's something to be said when you're not doing well in life and um maybe things aren't on the up and up horn zon's a pretty good thing to be listening to you relate to a lot of that stuff oh happy go lucky Adam probably doesn't listen to hor zon very often you are um by the way uh don Giller says Dylan Jack of Hearts 1974 um not sure what the reference is on that one I've lost not a Dylan guy which is going to get me persecuted by most music fans these are the things that I appreciate about guys like Don Giller who who who appreciates um um uh Dylan and is willing to kind of talk about why like i' I've sat under his learning Twee when it comes to Dylan in the be having that musical stage again so important I'll tell you why I don't like Dylan and it's because of that Letterman 10th anniversary special he performed Like a Rolling Stone and Paul had an incredible Ensemble yes of guest musicians and backing vocalists and Bob was horrible and from that point on I'm like uh I was I was done with Bob oh man you're Maybe let's go back to 20 okay but hold on let's go back to 2015 uh when Dylan was on second last show I think it second last show right um very interesting provocative uh behind the- scenes story on that one the way he was shot including during the guitar solo that the instruction uh don't take the camera off me and uh and then he went and did nothing on camera um but then the same person pointed out but what was everyone talking about the next day and and it was shot in kind of a if my memory SES me correctly like a sepia tone kind of a like had a different filter or something and and and it was uh Curious um as to what you thought about that in comparison different you just you turned it off that day and that was it no no more Dylan nope nope I'm fickle I'm fickle no man I think that you 100% like I talk about this with my wife a lot music snob thing and and I'm a music snob like I totally am but it's completely up to what my taste is though you know and it's so funny how that works how you how I I I'm gonna try toward the now and the end of this conversation I'm gonna try and think of somebody that I've kind of recognize him an amazing musician and a writer and a poet and the cultural contribution the man has given yep however my memory my first my first viewing my first exposure of him was the Letterman 10th anniversary special and it wasn't a good first impression yeah no if Freddy Mercury was there he would have knocked it out of the park uh did the two did their paths ever cross God why don't I know and um Dylan yes uh yeah no and Freddy Mercury no okay okay they were both signed under like the Electra Asylum label in the US but there's no crossover okay okay I got you I got you um um can I ask one question about that time yeah I have uh a lot of what you've said I've been able to identify with some of it I see how you've gone down the rabbit hole in a way that's brought to you to where you are but for me um it was a Werewolves of London thing kind of being aware of the song and then um were you a Larry Sanders guy no I we didn't have HBO growing up but Warren have you watched it since yes it's amazing and war is great on it yes the John Ritter episode yes and the irony is the irony is Warren zon is making fun of the fact they always want him to sing Werewolves of London he's bitter about it he's like ah you know like um rebelling against it and then and then gonna play something else more personal everything arranged and then on the air Sanders says to him hey will you play Werewolves of London and he's like he begrudgingly does it here's the ironic part you are a product of Werewolves of London yes that's true so the irony is is is astounding U but that was it that was that for me um I knew him kind of that's where I kind of Branch off I'm with you right up until I I I was vaguely aware of him became more aware of him through Letterman and then Larry Sanders show happens yeah and and for me that was like bam like I I loved that episode so much I loved when Morty was on and of course I loved when Letterman was on to me they were all the same you know and then doc all that yes it all fits it all fits so perfectly and um anyway so that was a huge for me uh Zeon formative moment as well it made me pay more attention to him when he was on Letterman really um and then we haven't gotten to hit somebody you haven't got to hit somebody yet in your in your story have you no well okay so okay I have a lot of good hit somebody stuff to talk about but so going forward it's like anytime you discover a new artist that you love you for me it's happened with The Killers or Foo Fighters and both for me both of them with Zeon and I would just buy one album loved it I'd buy the next one I loved it and it just went down the line and I became a zon fan just like with Queen um and it was a very it was it was a similar situation I was home from work one day yes um had had a random Wednesday off yep and um got pretty good at graphic design and doing the queen stuff yeah yeah um I've been working on there's a box set that came out for Queen called The Miracle the 1989 album I wrote what was your credit on that uh it was text with the archist it's me and Greg Brooks and then product conceptualization or product design um I designed some of the merchandise that came out yeah to go along with that album stuff that was in the box set I did some of the graphics inside the book as well so okay can I can I ask you can I ask you an inside question and we can edit out for the show if you need you ever got paid for any of this uh no because I don't officially work for it yeah um I work with their archivist yep and and you don't need to edit this out it's fine so what they do I get credit y um if I don't want to do it I just don't do it anymore right but like once every three or four months there was like a small like quarter pallet that ends up on my front door filled with queen stuff so basically anything I'm credited on in any country I get a copy of um and then anything else that comes out they're happy to send to me so if you look in my room it's just filled with posters and records and CDs one day one day you and I are gonna do a live and you're just gonna tour us around no you're gonna get your phone and you're gonna tour us around and we're just gonna have a that's gonna be an entire live episode we do just exclusive because I adore your organizational skills it's I cannot I'm I'm blown away everything is presented as meticulous as you see to the audience right now uh these post ERS around and these albums up and all that how meticulously hung that it is imagine if filing cabinets were just as interesting and you open uh books and different things that you have um we're g to do a tour of of of that because it's it's it's it's remarkable um yeah are you ever gonna get to a point where you get paid by queen or Warren zon and and could maybe do it as a a career or have a consultant uh Wing to what you're doing is that is that in the cards I would love that the queen thing probably isn't going to happen the the queen organization is a very tight-knit group with you know the remaining band members managers they have a couple music producers the have the archivist Greg um who I consider a really close friend now that's small group it is but they're very protective about catalog um the assets they have yeah because they own it all it's not they own everything and it's licensed out to record companies um and they take a lot of care over how it's stored and presented and used and they have a legacy there um if if they were to sell their catalog it would be over a billion dollars they they have a billion dollar Legacy there billion dollar catalog do they get paid every time a sporting event plays we will rock you or We Are the Champions I knowing their management yes okay I would assume so billion dollar catalog uh two iconic Sports songs three God Another One Bites the Dust is as well um I think their management throughout s beginning have been very good about taking care of that band and understanding the value to the physical um assets they have whether tapes or whatever and then the actual um ownership yes it's a top-notch organization the way that the way it's run the way it's organized on archive it's it's incredible and yes working with archivist has helped me with the zon stuff in terms of the zvon stuff I have a regular job like everyone else this is like a super hobby kind of like what you do yeah oh super hobby godamn I love that that's a what a great phrase a super hobby I'm stealing that if I were able to make six figures doing the waren zon thing yeah I would absolutely do that but yes um the thing is Warren zon is not the Beatles um which is a lot of the issues we run into um every product that comes out or anything that's presented there's a cost and reward to it and is it financially viable with the Beatles you could release now and then on a 7 in for 20 bucks and you're going to sell sell the heck out of that thing um with Warren zebon there isn't a fan base like that it's much more um condensed it's smaller so um you don't have as much wiggle room there could Jordan do a modern Warren Zeon tour where Jordan sings Warren zon songs I brought that up to him I don't think that's something boy or would he do it for a night say the Letterman crew got back together for one night only at Radio City he has done off before he there's an asbest the adao which I don't remember what it stands for off the top of my head he does charity events for them and performs his dad's songs and his songs I think the thing is and I I remember I said to him I said you could go all around the country and be like the modern day Frank Sinatra Jr and just make a living off this and a modern version of it but yeah yeah I I don't think he has an interest in making that his entire life um oh yeah zon how did I get into zon so yes I was off I was off work one day um I'd finally gotten something together that I can say I've done design I've written um I've done I've been trusted with information I've been able to colate together I've been able to write yes and I said you know what I'm gonna physically write a letter so I wrote a letter to Jordan Zeon I found an address online which actually ended up being his ex-wife's um which was probably a poor move on my part but it all worked out but it's a great part of the story great part of the story um I printed out some designs I had done yeah one of which was designed for like a Letterman Late Show kind of compilation and I mailed it to him and in the meantime I posted this stuff online and Jordan saw it messaged me on Facebook Messenger yeah he goes you did all this said yeah like I actually sent you a letter today and he went you sent me a letter like yeah I wrote a letter and I said it to you which is so weird in retrospect um nobody had done it no no one had done it yet so yeah yeah just someone has to do it yeah and no one said no one said no yet so just do it um so he called me and we chatted uh on the phone for a really long time it's like our conversation we never got to the point of why we're talking we talked about anything but that which was great and he's like I I love your ideas with dad's catalog um I like the designs you have and I want your help with that but what I really need help with is D's website hasn't been changed since before he died I need your help and it blew my mind um he said would you mind designing it for independent artist man like not a label guy and and that I did get paid a little bit for so thank you um but um he's like would you mind doing this I said I would love to do it um but what he didn't know is I could do web design too and I actually did the coding for the page two and I just did it and then one day I said here it's done I sent it to him and he was very happy with that you see it there are times in our conversations where I'm talking about Warren Zeon the product and the brand yes and I said we should do this and it should be recognized like this yes and it very quickly becomes obvious to me that I'm looking at it the wrong way because he'll say oh Dad wouldn't like that and it's a completely different mindset it's like oh it's not just the guy who works on Warren zebon stuff it's his dad yeah and there's a respect towards that um and and he saw that I saw it that way he trusted me with the decision I make on the website or text or anything I designed so from there um they released re-released an album called life will kill you they wanted Jordan to write like a two-page thing and he said could you help me do this so I interviewed him basically helped him put it together as a thing and it turned out really well yeah um what I realized when I designed the website it was great for a desktop or laptop it wasn't good for a phone so I did I designed a separate version for the phone yeah and then I scrapped the whole thing and did it all over again so it could work on both and that's the website that you see today and how much of the logo how much of a part of the logo were you did you revise it at all did you do anything with the logo like how did here here's the interesting thing about Zeon and his catalog yeah um it's spread across currently one I have notes here just in case I'm cheating one two three four four or five record companies yeah and the assets the original art assets that they're gone no one knows where this stuff is or if it even exists anymore so yeah um what I've done I've recreated all the logos from scratch where I can and there's a future product coming out that we can talk about a little bit where uh we can talk about some of that stuff but I know I'm excited about that I I want to finish with the what sneak PE war yeah because there's some cool stuff and behind the scenes I got to tell you uh I'm not telling I am telling tale I'm going to tell the tale out of school I always say I'm not doing it I'm gonna do it right now um I loved connecting you and Walter Kim and I'm grateful that there is right now a conduit between pants and Zeon that is the way it should be and I hope that we build that pipeline big and I want to be part of that too um you know again just so so awesome that uh that connection yeah okay so anyway Let's uh so the logo the skull logo though like that it's gotten more consistent so the skull logo which I think first appeared on the compilation album called a quiet normal life okay um I think that was a cash in product to go along with the color of money because where was of London was a part of that movie and that became Warren's logo so we have the highest quality version of that um Jordan owns that we can use that so that hasn't changed the version on the website right now is a version I did on my own um just for something different yeah but like the waren zon text logos and all that stuff yeah I've been working on recreating all of those from scratch so we have them in the future for future projects yep um and to go along with this you know Jordan said to me so um you know we're going to be working on some various things and you know I said well I want to the archivist then if I I want that to be my title he's like yeah you're it that that's what you're doing and with that title it's amazing how quickly someone will answer your email or how willing they are to help and the great thing is reaching out life hack but you just said that's a life hack well it automatically gives you um a different type of yeah first impression a different Viewpoint a different perspective and it's way more open than if you're fanboy the current thing we're working on one of the things um we have 186 of Warren's personal cassette tapes y um that have all been digitized into 9624 okay and I'm going through them one by one I have4 of them done um and it it goes the gamut of anything you could possibly imagine um there's here for a second can go ahead go ahead um you know and as we know I will anyway I apologize you've putting up with my enthusiasm is uh admirable I know I'm very puppy dog like um but that being said when you see have you I I assume you've seen um now and then and and and the technology incredible that was used in a ver a tape much much much worse than the tapes you're talking about here um I see so much Warren Zeon potential um well here's the thing too okay you can use that technology and the amount of money it costs use that technology for a band like The Beetles you know at what point will this technology be um accessible to everyone else which there are versions of it you can use now which aren't as good but absolutely there needs to be a point where it's cost-effective to use it on something for like Warren Zeon or an artist that doesn't have the revenue stream that Warren does yes um but with these tapes I did make some notes because I think some of them are interesting um there's a lot of home recordings um rehearsals um live audience recordings there's an answering machine tape from when he lived with Kim Langsford um in 1980 which is hilarious um but going through these tapes it's they're not meant to be a released product it's it's him messing around on a piece of equipment or it's like an overnight mix or a car mix that trying to listen to a song on the way home from the studio so there are some decent or decent and really good Studio recordings there is as of yet no incredible unreleased song that we haven't heard they're just different song versions with maybe Different lyrics or guitar solo that isn't there or something like that um but there's a lot of live stuff and the the the nice thing is some of them are in really good shape depending on who's walking the soundboard that night um a personal story there was one night I was going through tapes I had like four hours to myself one evening um the kids went to bed my wife was watching hallmart channel I'm like I'm going to dive into some zon tonight and work on this and I'm cataloging each tape what Pro what product it's related to if it's a studio project every song the length of every song and then I kind of rate it if it's good enough to be released or if there's anything of interest that could be used later yes so I on this particular night I'm I'm probably a couple hours into it and it's nothing that's particularly worthwhile um it's a bad a bad rehearsal tape meaning it's just not of good quality there's a lot of testing of you know new synthesizer or keyboard yep an answering machine tape and I live on around Penn State University State College okay and this was late January of this year I come across it's the last tape I do that night like I'm just gonna do one more and each tape is digitized on audio format then we have a picture of both sides of the tape and the tape box so we can kind of keep everything together so we know are they actual that tapes these are cassettes they're just okay like a regular cassette that go not a not a DAT right we do have D tapes and adap tapes D tapes are stereo Adat I think is eight track yeah tapes um which we're going through those two and that that'll be part of that project we're gonna talk about later can I okay can I ask you a quick question sure do you have the capability to digitize a DAT tape I don't but we have people that we Outsource that have that are working on that for us now okay I think I have at my house my parents house in a box somewhere a DAT of a nine-inch Nails David Bowie concert all together oh cool where they play that's my favorite concert of all time and it's a DAT of the Seattle show the show I was at would that be around the time outside came out for David B that's exactly right yes it was the outside tour now don't get me so the way it worked was uh Trent prick played and if you knew prick they were on the nothing label that's that's Reser's label um I love that CD they never really followed it up but I just love that CD they open the show but then a full show Trent comes out ninein Nails plays an amazing set there's this kind of weird interlude Trent plays a saxophone which I think is symbolic of first off it's where you know was this High School in instrument you know but saxophone you know it's like night n Inch Nails taking a step out of the dark towards David Bowie then Bowie comes out and plays uh scary monsters with nine-inch Nails backing it cool and it's insanely good like insanely good um and then a couple other songs um not the heart's filthy lesson though he saved that for the main act but then after two or three songs with nin nin left Trent stayed on stage Bowie's band comes out and they play Hurt together and this version of hurt is unbelievable Trent leaves Bowie does an entire set I'm not gonna say he didn't play any hits but they were like it was all outside Hearts filthy lesson and all that um great did Play The Man Who Sold the World um and and and songs like that but did not do let's dance and and it was a yeah it was a theme Young Americans for sure absolutely yes so anyway that was um I have a DAT of that somewhere and I think it still exists um if I find it could we do something could we get that thing digitized it depends on the legalities of that but I might know a person yeah all right this was a beautiful aside let's go back to so I'm going through these tapes and I pick up a tape or pick up figuratively on the screen and says State College um January 27th 1983 yep and it's almost a what 40 years to the day and I'm like oh please be in good quality and it was it was so great um and I did a little bit of research there was a comedy Troop that opened up for Warren Zeon I found the guys in the comedy troop and got connected with them since we all went to Penn State Ron College WR you know in this area isn't that the best it's like Sherlock Holmes or Nancy Drew it's so great I've done this for each one of these tapes any venue he's gone to I reached out to the venue with the people there and attempted to get the story or whatever we can find out you have a mute button that's good um ain't my first rodeo wife's bringing me a water thank and there's um a couple other tapes um he went on tour in late 1990 there was a tour called the enemy of the people tour um he had a back small backing band with Dan dugmore GF morck and the quality of the shows are fantastic oh my God probably five or six shows from the stour it's just a soundboard recording but whoever was working the board that night knew exactly what they're doing yeah and they're so good um yeah so that's something I've been pushing hard on Jordan to look at yes um something Letterman related um so Warren appeared on Letterman um in ' 89 yep three days later there was a benefit concert in New York City called hungerthon 89 it was around the Beacon Theater New York City Warren was like the opener performed five songs and Paul schaer joined him on stage for where was of London for the fifth song and it was broadcast on the radio and we have a tape of the radio broadcast from that day is this out there for people see publicly or okay we need to make this happen this is this is where yes the the the the the joining of the arms and linking and saying hey how about this and how about that how that is an amazing find Paul schaer warns Evon playing at what what was it called again it was called hungerthon 89 okay that's what I'm talking about that's another one of those moments like that comedy store moment of the 10th anniversary special it's an oddball special thing five songs you said that's an EP um any chance what are the what is what's the process of getting that released so here's the thing with with Warren being signed a multiple record companies throughout his career oh boy so of course the record contracts are different for each single one of yeah those companies so it would all depend on if it was 1989 um he would have been under Virgin Records at the time which is now owned by Universal um they may own any rights to any that he performed during that time period um you know who we need for this we need Jimmy iven to come out of retirement we do and he would figure this out Jimmy I would be able to yeah no kidding right like he would be able to figure that out in a second I've got a I've got a I'll tell you off camera anyway keep going keep going yeah um we have really good contacts with people Warner Warner Brothers owns know records we have really good contacts with the people that own in the last three albums it's a company called M&K he absorbed what was left of emis and there's a company called ship to shore which licenses that music and physically releases it gotcha those virgin albums Virgin Records they're now in by Universal I don't have a really good contact with universal yet um the nice thing is Queen around the universal so I'm trying to make those inroads but historically Universal hasn't been great about licensing music so it all comes down to ownerships I've got somebody I'm ask I've got somebody who's with NBC Universal who they will give me a uh she's pretty awesome actually and I think that she would be able to give me some good advice I'm gonna talk to there's somebody specifically anyway go on here's the other thing to here's the other thing to go there yep it's not just what I want you know Jordan has to be on board his sister Ariel who's a big part of this whole thing needs to be a part of it too do they differ on uh opinions or are they pretty much United for the most part I since Jordan is the first person I reached out to yeah I mean I consider Jordan and I close friends we text and call and Ariel I don't know as well gotcha every interaction I've had with her has been positive and she's been friendly and helpful and excited and game for whatever we're working on and brings her own opinions to the table so it's not like anyone's holding anything up here um but of course it's brother sister so of course they're going to be different on things right yeah um but we're also looking at a thing where you have a man's body of work who's no longer with us so he doesn't have a say anymore so then you get that thing of well would he be okay with this and you also want to be careful not to dilute the catalog yes and it it really gets tricky um because you can really oversaturate things and make a catalog confusing um I think the who have done this I think Bowie has done this um since Bowie has passed away there's been so much Bowie archival product released yeah and some of it's good some of it's superus some of its money grab stuff like you know picture disc final records yep so I think there has to be Merit to what's released I think Bob Dylan's done a good job with his catalog where you have main albums but you also have this bootleg series which is kind of tangental it's top shelf in the way that it is because there is stuff for every level of fan including like you say you know I never when I went to Vancouver I would go to Vancouver to look for for for for bootlegs and I remember going into Bo CDs on West forth and I said to the guy said hey do you have any bootlegs guy goes he kind of felt me out a little bit and he's like what what bands I'm like ah Fai the mor Sound Garden or Nirvana ninch Nails oh Nine Inch Nails big one he's like okay he goes I'm gonna hook you up he goes but don't come in asking about bootlegs come in and ask if we have any live recordings Pro and he didn't say Pro tip but if Pro tip would have been available as a phrase uh back then vernacularly uh he would have said Pro tip buddy um but I was 18 19 young and that started me on the the the trail of searching for bootlegs of my favorite bands in live recordings Dylan satisfies that crowd yeah all the way up to the very surface surface surface surface without any I don't think any uh selling out whatsoever he's kind of the other end of the spectrum where he probably could have done more and been more profound I don't know was that I think it's you we don't want to give the perception that we're Barrel straping not even a little bit oh my God yeah so I think that's a big concern um because it needs to be done well it needs to be done correctly needs to be done right and I'm not one of the decision makers I I have an opinion and I can you know bring things forward but you know it's really up to Ariel and Jordan because it's their dad's Legacy and it could be a thing that Jordan could say uh I know my dad wouldn't like that and that's the end of it and you you have to respect that um he did listen to those tapes if he did like that the 1990 concerts that I'm talking about but it all depends it all depends who has the ownership and and everything so what if worldwide pants put it out what if worldwide pants put it out on some sort of a something um I'm just throwing this out there like or or someone like world you know like what like do you think that there's room to put something like that out sure it it again it depends who owns the rights to that music if they want to license it if it could be you know JV I to the point where an agreement can be made and yeah um but again again if you're a big record company if you're Universal records yes and you have queen and the Beatles and Elton John whoever else they have under the catalog yes you know it's difficult for Warren zon to be um a focus in comparison to other artists because of the commercial viability of it the one nice thing um there are um recordings that are available it's I think it's archive.org that have beened Allowed by um Jordan and Ariel live concerts of their father that's free for free for everyone to download um a lot of them are soundboard recordings a lot of them are radio broadcasts so if you're looking for something that that kind of scratches that itch pretty well um but we would like to get something more official out sure yeah why not take those and bare minimum put them out on Apple music because they're already free and it'll be cashing in on something that's already been release free to everyone I just I don't know I think part of it also is like hey this is a nice part of our catalog too no matter what the pay structure looks like having that included if I'm a fan like like I'm a huge Chris Cornell fan when that that last uh that came out which all that studio stuff with Chris like I mean man that is a a really nice thing to do on the apple and then again I just bigger platform right just I think there's a perception of of money grabbing that you know we made this available for free for people and now we're going to charge and you know the stuff the stuff that's on that site was given away for free in good faith for fans feel you yeah so I think the idea is I think both and again I don't want to speak for them but I I think they want to be careful with their with the fan base and not just release a bunch of superflous product to try to cash in yes very well said and I'm a bit more of a uh well you might be able to turn the notch a couple of couple of turns and and things still be good but I hear you and as a consumer it's what I would want too okay there we go there we go you'd be giving the fans what they want in a big way and I think there's a consideration for that um speak you see DA giving away the Marquee I did see that or how many uh how many is it you have to is it bidding on is like a like a like a draw a raffle yeah how many uh do you have that yeah so uh for me I just I brought it up and looked at the options and for for $50 un United States money which is like $1,429 Canadian dollars um it's not that bad but it's pretty bad um $50 trying fundraise we're not fundraising for you are we this is well I'll tell you though I have had two people say to me that they entered and if they win they're donating donating and have gonna have Dave because Dave's gonna pay the shipping going to send it to the Letterman podcast but they want the trip to New York though and so I'll take that right what's that you get to meet Dave and hang out with Dave you get to meet Dave be on the barber gain show and I'm not gonna tell actually you know what again tonight's the night well I will tell some Tales out of school uh Barbara gains has thus uh refused my advances um there was one time where she might have considered it but she might have also been toying with me Morty did this to me he played with me like I was a little bit of a rubber ball and I can't tell if Barbara's doing that what I do know is I misspelled her name or I misspelled her last name I forgot the e and uh it eats what kind of fan are you I it's eating my soul I'm I am pretty sure it was an autocorrect but regardless I should have proof red um you know so so so uh now I feel this is good this is I feel like this is therapy buddy thank you for this I would love to win it and put it back here and I'd make you look at it every single day just to know that you didn't have it it's 8 feet by 20 feet like it will not it might go in the garage then that's where mine's going and I've got it I've got it all figured out already and there's no way I'm gonna win Jimmy kimel's probably put in thousands of dollars under you know 40 different emails so we can get past the 5,000 votes or 5,000 entries so $50 got me uh 600 entries and I I thought I said to myself and then there's a way you could do it for free so I did one for free you can put in a free one and so I did that um and and if the universe is meant to make it happen it's going to make it happen either by Our Winning it and then ironically I would be on the barber gain show so she refused me but then I kind of snuck in the back door um so I think that would be kind of fun I hope she says your name wrong oh well so my only credit because I mean I wanted to to to mention this earlier um but I was so taken like I just love your story so much and and I'm so I'm so excited to be your buddy um and and we're do going to do some cool stuff here together I just feel it um you know sounds like I don't have a choice anymore oh man as far as I'm concerned you don't um as far as I'm concerned no no it's yeah um but anyway it would be uh it would be funny to to snake my way into her show and and to meet Dave that way come up and that would be good we had a nice a couple nice moments uh at um at Rupert's retirement and I mean how crazy again pictures in the video they look lovely it's really nice that um the current late show folks did something for it too I thought that was nice I uh I I have messaged um I've messaged her and and we've talked about that to Tanya um and and Tanya I I forget which one is I feel embarrassed about that but um but anyway between that and not spelling Barb's last name right you're your trouble see um this why very worst very worst dyslexic perhaps a little bit or or something um Don Giller said that he's looking for your uh script but it's not where he thought it was so it'll be more investigation Don Giller is here oh my god oh this is my favorite podcast ever he's coming in man see oh there he is outstanding welcome to welcome to a special three-hour edition of the Letterman podcast oh my God hey buddy where we where we talk about Letterman a little bit yeah okay yeah I'm sorry I I spent this the last two hours looking for this thing and I can't find it I know I have it I just can't find it um have you heard any of what we've been talking about about Warr that Warren zon set how cool does that sound Don is that what wh the fact the fact that uh this guy what's his name this Adam guy I'm ad hi yeah uh but he's not do gains spelled with an e that's yeah oh I feel great shame I need to go in the Penalty Box right now I feel great shame Jacks was a was was a a tail um that Dylan composed for his butt on the track out and uh because you were talking about uh um uh what's the what's the Warren song where was London no no no oh oh the song that uh rolling the hell of Thompson gun yeah yeah that's it yeah uh yeah so so Jack ARS came to mine because uh and that was when was Roland written or when was it uh uh 78 on the excitable Boy album okay so that's four years after Jacka Hearts so that proves that proves there's an influence there is an influence done some good today it proves nothing okay I mean Dylan did appear on zon album too so there's there's mutual respect there I think yeah would it be safe to say like zeon's kind of the I was gonna say the Next Generation but an evolution maybe um I think it's tangental you know it's a Storyteller um but I think it's I think there's a little bit more of a rock folk thing there slightly more demented yeah yeah the humor for sure there's a there's a ton of respect there um Dylan did perform on um the sentimental hygiene album in '87 I think Warren actually talks about it during um his one performance on Letterman around that time yep um so Dylan performed harmonica on the factory uh which is on that album right and of course you know Dylan famously more performed mutineer um and a few songs of Warren when he announced he was sick so I think there's a lot of mutual respect there which I think you the respect to Bob Dylan that says a lot I'm I'm look I'm looking for details on on Dylan's Like a Rolling Stone performance on the on the 10th anniversary it's on the 10th anniversary yep Don is that something that you're known to known about like is that something that there's a reputation for that that that Dylan kind of maybe didn't meet expectations on that performance or is that something that uh um let's say yes okay he's not known as being a great Live artist it's kind of one of those situations you don't know what you're going to get he's either going to be amazing or horrendous I remember back in the day he I don't know if I'm speaking out of turn Da but I that's how I kind of took it it's okay you're young I don't know any better every time Dylan did something um when I was growing up there was a period of time that every time Dylan performs something live inevitably the next week there would be a skit on Saturday a sketch on Saturday Night Live rather with Dana Carvey playing a crazy Bob Dylan that everyone could imitate and and and and I mean that says something too um and don't get me wrong I loved carcino I thought carcini Wasing genius oh my God Dana Carvey rules um but yeah like I I remember he did a bit on Weekend Update where he was just doing a deal and it was say he sounded almost like almost like Adam Sandler um you know but anyway um speaking of anniversary specials Warren did perform on one of the anniversary specials he was on the sixth anniversary was on his birthday it was on his birthday that's right and here's the interesting thing about it part of the band was Carol King and Billy Joel or and Zeon Billy Joel and Carol King were on syn and they put Warren on grand piano so that's how much Paul and Dave thought of Warren zebon when you throw Billy Joel on a synthesizer you have Warren playing grand yep that's pretty cool yep I'm sure Don has that somewhere on his YouTube I think I've seen it before yeah no I've got the uh you got all the anniversary specials on your channel don't you Don saxophone s I'm sorry you have all the uh the the anniversary specials on your YouTube don't you yeah yeah yeah how many annary specials did they do 10 I think I mean did they do a first and second and third and fourth was it a yearly tradition they did 83 8 4 85 86 878 89 90 not 91 and not 93 so 92 was their last year Carson's last year that's that's interesting uh David sandborne Carol King Billy Joel Freddy hubard John fattis Clarence Clemens Tom Scott Robert Craig Joe Walsh Dwayne Eddie um Ashford and Simpson Roberto Flack Cindy lper uh that's right and Benny King they were all they were all the backup B there's our homework what year was that Don uh don't ask me those that was 88 okay our homework is to go watch the 88 anniversary special there there I I I uploaded two versions it's on the it's on the same upload uh the afternoon show and and the and the evening show this be the broad the broadcast then sort of combined they did mostly the evening show but they elements of the of the afternoon show oh that's fantastic uh it it it's yeah no this is going to bore everybody so no it's not have you not watched about Queen for half an hour so go ahead yeah you're talking about Queen you know one of my favorite bands um when e air uh e aired late night in syndication from late 93 to Mid 96 and on the July 4th shows they did a a marathon they aired all but one of the anniversary shows they didn't air the 1984 anniversary show but the 88 this 88 anniversary show uh did not have Bill Wendell's uh announce Ann opening announce and I figured you know that they must have gotten This from NBC um and it it turns out or what I believe to be the case is that that's the only version NBC has uh all they have is the afternoon show be before bills announced they they don't have the evening show that was that most of which from the evening show aired on on broadcast television wow yeah this is this is fascinating it is to me oh I love Mya like this this is great absolutely and for the five other people that care it's great yeah well I think two have already died so I'm looking for if I can find anything on on the Like a Rolling Stone performance and I'm not sure I'm oh wait a minute well yeah if I find something I'll bu in's coming up I remember did he did he flub a verse um I couldn't tell I couldn't understand what he was singing Don yeah I just I don't remember but the there was there was some Scuttle butt about it hey Don do you like the idea of uh some sort of a reunion whatever and a performance where Jordan zon plays hit somebody with Dave sitting there and just say his line every once in a while hit somebody I agree with Adam it's not going to happen all right well and I think I think you did mention it but but uh but I was uh for some reason I I didn't I didn't catch the the whole exchange I gotta anyway when Warren did perform hit somebody it was Paul who did the uh yeah Paul did it that's right absolutely but I think if he already said that sorry no we didn't that's I'm glad you made the distinction because I think Adam you and I talked about that originally when we talked on the about that moment I think I think you mentioned that and I I hadn't been aware of that and uh no's not going to do it it's from Dave you're gonna do it it's from show 1581 April 2nd 2001 for anyone out there who cares all that information Came From Dawn so thank you Don I don't remember it's Adam right that's right yeah man I uh I had a really really good podcast today um did you see the video I put up Don of the deleted scenes from it uh no I've been uh having a life yeah I know I know Oh I thought you were talking about this podcast that we're doing now no today earlier like this podcast is incredible see Adam what what what Mike's doing live all we see is is his face I tried to turn it so you could see I saw but then then I got really dizzy exactly it didn't work so but that's what the live audience is going to get they get to hear a sneak peek but they don't get a chance to see it um oh my God today we did Show and Tell with that uh Dan flare the cameraman oh and he's he's got like eight jackets behind him as a backdrop because he's a cameraman right so he's well lit he's got it he's got it like set up it's dialed in and behind him is a coat rack with like eight of the jackets and then he's got credentials he's got all these things and at the very end one t-shirt and it's like stabbing me in the heart it's the Foo Fighters t-shirt like that's like my Most Wanted Letterman collectible um other than the Marque he was great at SV yeah what's the Foo Fighter shirt flattery right you don't know the Foo Fighter shirt um the night okay so there's a yellow dawn has one um it was the Foo Fighters showed up on the very last show and they brought a gig shirt and the gig shirt was a special oneoff it's a yellow shirt with blue writing on it it's all the boxes and there's Don Don has it he does it's like it's oh my God this is something that is so cool you slip a quarter in the thing and this was Steve Young's right yeah so that makes it even like triple cool okay so there's the Foo Fighter shirt and what do they call Dave Roy Letterman Roy letter and there's the rest of the band and then if he flips it around it's all of the Foo Fighters performances like it's a like it's a tour but those are all all the all of the performances on light show yeah that's brilliant yeah and I want it so bad it's not even funny like I like I love this shirt this is probably my favorite t-shirt this is the 21e staff shirt I love it that Foo Fighter shirt is like and so he's got it hanging there I'm like hey Dan if ever you need a for that thing just yeah I just was all Julie that's fantastic yeah isn't that great there's one of Rupert's original hats hey who whose podcast is this anyway hey by the way will Lee trying to set me up with Darlene Love and speaking of darling love here's some snow that fell down from the rafters or some really badly cut cocaine I'm not sure which uh from the last uh Christmas show in 2015 so and then Darlene Love and I hopefully gonna be connecting this week everyone go to Don's uh YouTube and watch all the Darlene Love performances they're fantastic absolutely absolutely and they do a super cut which is kind of cool um now here's the thing that's on the official page right we don't go to that one right yeah well no we like them too we like them too it all goes to the same place now that that waron collection that I put up I I I had originally included um uh strawberry Beret oh yeah but it's a Prince song so yeah the prince liing but uh that fall of N I had I had had it up for some time in the fall of 19 years earlier it also put up both of Prince's late show performances and and umg uh struck them down yeah they are again yeah so I wait a second hold on there's a version of Warren zon doing Raspberry Beret by Prince yeah on on Late Night in 87 I think is it online right now can I go see that was it's not on my channel I used to be so yeah so I got cold so I got cold feet and and clipped it out and and put up a new collection W with without that performance which so it's yeah was I was tast like I just got scared because you one more strike actually I'd lost a that's a long story um hey Don do you still have a copy of the original version that you could send me there's a studio version you know stud version that's on his cover album so no so um when Warren recorded sentimental hygiene in 87 86 and ' 87 came out in ' 87 his backing band was REM minus Michael sty Michael did like backing vocals for a song so so that album is basically r with Warren zon they also recorded a ton of like old cover songs you know blue new songs like junko partner and Manish boy and things like that yeah and one of the songs that were that was covered is Raspberry Beret and when Warren was sniffing around for a new record company and went to Giant records or giant I think he was already with giant records um but they heard of this and they're like anything R God can we sell it please R was becoming one of the biggest bands in the world at the time yeah so um there's a album called Hindu love gods it's Warren Zeon and 34s of RM and raspberry bra is one of the songs it's from 1990 and I think hopefully we'll have that re-released on vinyl um sometime soon wow that's been in the talks so we'll see if that happens that's fantastic yeah it's great um I think it also appears on one of the compilation albums it might be on genius I forget but anyway it's November 28th 1990 is when he when he performed it on Dave wow uh let's see if I can punch it up let's see if I can break my contract it's not your channel so it's okay you're just I'm get you're just a citizen I'm never going to be able to do anything again thank you both Don pointed out that if I were a member of the pants family uh officially at this point I would be ineligible for the Marquee so that's now the m plan win the Marquee go on uh barbag show Meet Dave and uh and and then I become an employee uh but they still send me the Marquee so that's the plan now boys so we can manifest that activ one second okay you get um Don the uh you're gonna love the podcast with uh Dan flare holy cow I lik him in inctv yeah that's I get the joke now yeah there you go I was actually uh gonna look to see if it spells it the same way as Joe flarity but I didn't get a chance to I think it is I think it is oh it is glare there's here we go and do love gods little glare yikes there it is no no no I see it I see it so yep it's it's of course available for streaming as well but oh there and Don's showing us that the Raspberry Beret performance is available somewhere oh hey look there's us wow that is very trippy oh you know what the 10 the 10 is he's working on the compilation look at this oh well there it is look at that hand too way you're gonna love that podcast with with with him it's uh I high Adam Number 96 at this point here uh no 96 just came out didn't it wasn't that Tim Kennedy no I think Tim's 94 you don't even know do you I thought it was I thought this is episode 100 congratulations oh God surprise we've done it surprise uh Janice Panino is uh ready to come out um she this one this one what's that oh yeah no you're right you're right uh Tim is 96 yeah so this is probably gonna be 97 she's gonna probably be 98 um and if I get Darlene Love and what about Daniel flattery well that's what I'm saying like I'm not sure when oh he might be like 101 he's he's the big git you've been teasing well and and the cool thing is the video that I showed will wet the appetite for it and if I don't release it for a month because of holidays and because of you know if darling love comes on um and and the compilation of course right like I I'll time it there's a chance the first comp compation comes out on Christmas Eve that's pretty cool because if that was be no compilation okay um because the week before I would air Darlene and people could enjoy it for all of the kind of buildup to Christmas and then the compilation comes out on the 24th but if you don't get Darlene then you'll then you'll stick at Daniel in there I have the option to do that yeah and I might have Pat farmer before then as well and if I have Pat farmer then he'll he might be the first episode after depending on how many the compilations are um that's so that's a good one can I mention that the guy that you're trying to get and you that contacted or is that is that off limits you can mention it absolutely Gary I thought you were gonna see the other one uh Gary Muer is coming on the show we've just uh got to figure out he and I are gonna do a phone call um I'm not telling Tales out of school his uh documentary talks about this he's he's fighting prostate cancer right now and he went for a scan today otherwise we were going to be talking on the phone about when we're going to get him on there he is technologically challenged and funny as oh my God Gary Muer is so funny his uh documentary you gotta watch it it's Incredible Dave's in it but watch it outside of that doesn't matter it's so so good and Gary is amazing he's going to be coming on the Letterman podcast but he is technologically challenged so he's gonna get it done at the Grand Old opery because they help him out with stuff like that because he's a Hall of Fame grand old opery guy that a lot of people don't know so when he does the episode of the Letterman podcast that's where he's going to be on location from and I want to figure out how to do text on screen so I can put on location from uh anyway doesn't matter you can always ask Al chz to help you out I uh I I you know I'm always open to Mr chz alz if you want to help us out you you go ahead uh he has been oddly enough well David Letterman and Merl Marco probably the most elusive the second most elusive uh uh would be would be alz he keeps saying he's going to do it and then he doesn't do it he keeps saying he's going to do it he doesn't do it so you know one day we'll get him on here is B Chef Jordan zon they they won't show up Jord com speak yeah well I've tried almost did a podcast with Marl Marco that's something we tried to do a couple years ago Mar's pictures of of her and Warren putt putting yeah yeah yeah do you know when do you have a do you have a date for that I'm gonna say roughly 93 or 94 I'm sure I'm wrong I'll find out though you have to know this stuff Rob Stover just said you're getting Gary Muer that man is a gem he sure is buddy yeah pretty pretty excited and hi Rob Stover another former guest of the Letterman podcast and I'm in the credits too yeah you certainly are and and I gotta tell you Chris Elliott that's that's the fun part and I got to tell you well that's fantastic absolutely um the footage you either gave them or the footage they found they' used a significant filter uh to to to make to make it HD or or or at least to raise the quality of it and I have never seen late night footage that looked so good and also early Letterman he the one about the diametrically opposed to uh um you know lawn ornament that one beautiful it looks high definition yeah but I'm sure I'm sure they got that from NBC because um they would not have put up stuff I senta maybe I mean I don't know there's there's some if they if it is there's some incredible cleaning softwares um but anyway yeah it was cool seeing your name on it it's it's it's so good and and Gary's amazing and if you remember the guy who shot I think there's a lot of folks in the Letterman world who would be like okay but remember the comic who came on who shot arrows from his guitar strings um oh that guy you know there's a lot of that out there for him and which is one of the reasons that the dock is so compelling it's really good um so Adam what what are you going to do with all these cassettes um I I I remember I heard you all talking about it but at this stage You're simply just storing it right now it's figuring out what's on the cassetts um as I stated I have about 112 or so that I've listened to and there's another 70 or so to go um to Mike's point we have adats and dat tapes we're listening to now and the idea is it could be used for something in feuture whether it be an expanded version of one of the albums or maybe a standalone live release um you know we're not looking at doing like another unreleased or alternative version album that's kind of already been done with the album called preludes that was done in 2007 so it's just kind of taking stock of what we have um and what value that has um so we're kind of discovering that as we go along and the idea is we find something that's worthwhile and and you will I mean I I have no doubt you're gonna find some gems yep we have already I have already it's how are how are you digitizing them um so an outside company was hired um to to a professional company to digitize them in 9624 quality um so they're audio files currently so you don't know how they're doing it just that that up I don't I'm not an audio engineer can I ask a question would that be like a like a CD quality like a flak file would it be that good of quality yeah um 9624 would be Blu-ray or DVD quality godamn that sounds CD is 44.1 um so this will be over double that this will be 966 okay but but the cassettes themselves they're they're like what at uh uh uh uh one and 78 standard cassette or 15 16 yeah yeah that's right and again some of them are soundboards some of them are mix Downs some of them are actually used for for track reporting which you can do with a cassette which I don't recommend it doesn't sound great but I think just for demo purposes oh sure we've we've been working on mixing those down and seeing if there's anything worthwhile too no my buddy Tad and I we would record stuff on on a fort tracker set machine that that went the incredible speed of three quarters yeah sound quality is amazing but for demoing purposes it's it's fine was I gonna ask I was gonna say something um H damn I don't it won't come to me again because I'm old it's gone yeah um yeah that's really high quality like like so with a soundboard would it vary from soundboard to Soundboard or or or would the audience ever be a part of it at all um or is it just the soundboard you're only getting what went through the mics and the monitors and you're getting very little crowd or is it a little bit of both um I'd say probably very little crowd because the crowd was a might yeah it'll just be direct instruments you can hear crowd um I think the one thing that the the two current Warren zebon live albums that are out now um there's one from 1980 um called Stand in the fire and there's one from possible to find back then it was yeah and um I think it was released on CD in 2007 2008 um it's fantastic um then there's like an Acoustic solo uh album called learning to Flinch from 93 um the one thing both those albums are missing are Warren's um interactions with the audience and him talking with the audience and and he's funny um and charming and you kind of missed some of that on those albums and I think that's one of the advantages to what we have on these tapes it'll be nice to get some of that out because there's some really fun interactions with the crowd and get that live setting and you can hear the crowd react to it are there any real TOS not that I have um I'll say this I know that Jordan has storage spaces with an ungodly amount of stuff and it could be a mixture of real toore and cassettes and CDs there's acetates yes Mike are there any Warren zon tour T-Shirts so at the time yes and one of the things I was going to talk about today is we are working on getting an official a web store open for the website excellent and we want to get t-shirts and turntable mats and buttons posters and um we're I want say we're in the beginning stages of doing that're we're past that um we we think we have the gu we have the company yeah we we think we're going to see that in the next few months and it would be nice to be able to replicate those things um and like the F hire shirt it'll be nice to replicate those and get them re-released in some format yeah I hear you but I'm telling you this you uh your buddy Don and your buddy Mike would love uh if you come across one in one of these uh storage facilities you come across a couple of larges we'll take them we'll take them off your hands uh how cool would it be how cool would it be to have vintage toour Warren zon shirt that is like that's be awesome that's lur someone who hates Dylan forget it I don't want it I remember what I was gonna ask you um yes uh you were talking about the you don't even know if the master tapes even exist anymore um so do you know or do you not know if any of them might have been stored in that giant facility that burned down oh the the right and that was quite a few years what 10 years ago or so now I don't believe any of them were stored there um I think for the Asylum albums I think Rhino and Warner has all those albums properly stored um I know for a fact they have the stereo masters um because one was just used for an excitable boy release this year mobile Fidelity sound Labs did a super audio CD and a 2 LP version of that album so the Warner stuff is in good shape um Universal I have no clue um you're freezing well can I hear it I hear it all it's it's all coming through on this end okay um the Artemis albums which is what we're going to talk about for our project coming out that got really tricky um emus um did the last three albums so that's life will kill you my rides here and the wind and when Artemis dissolved a lot of that stuff disappeared So multitracks Gone Masters gone the artwork gone um the nice thing is for some of this we have a happy ending to it um which we'll talk about this product that's going to be coming out hopefully um but but we don't know what happened to it and we think it was either liquidated someone took it home with them or it was destroyed and we're all kind of leaning towards that it was probably destroyed I have another question insane yes have uh would you guys be open to the idea of pants doing a documentary on Warren zon um that's that's not for me to decide um I will say that there is work on a documentary taking place now awesome that's something it's something I can't talk about a whole lot and the only reason I will mention it is because Jordan mentioned it in an interview earlier this year okay um here's again we're doing this is you know it's an excuse to hang out that's all is is an excuse to hang out but it is prep for Jordan can I ask that question yeah absolutely because he brought it up before in an interview so sure perfect okay perfect because I want to talk about that if possible if we can the VH1 uh profile on on War uh that's on YouTube right yeah it is yeah I've seen that that's that's very good is there other footage that you have of that or that's available if you don't have it the only thing that I'm aware of is available so there's a bonus section on that DVD where they do the full extended interview with Warren um from his apartment um anything yeah it is raw footage of his interview and some of it I don't think there's even video to it I think it's just raw audio um so that's all I'm aware of that still exists I think that was all helmed by um the folks of VH1 so I think all the ownership for all that stuff falls on them so anything that's available they would still have they did some good stuff back in the 90s and and and whatnot when they were kind of I don't know if they were a rival to MTV or whatever but popup videos is it really yeah so there you go um is it all via com Dawn I think it was Viacom D1 is Viacom I believe uh tell me what's the address of those storage places classify classified I want that signed on I can't I I I I'm not allowed to even uh uh be in it participate in it I know you're not that's that that that's that leaves it for me free and clear I uh oh God I want it so bad it'll only fit in one spot in my garage and it'll take up an entire wall like I'll literally be parking my vehicle beside it the car will be outside I'm gonna put well the car the truck the Bronco will fit in but um I mean I'll have to drive it out but it is a gigantic sign it would be behind I could shoot videos up against it and it would be so funny um so anyway yeah you're not even going to find a truck that could that could handle it Dave's taking care of that Dave gets it to you he says it in the video so you know um yeah but but under under under his breath he says all expenses you know except that's right in other words the rest goes to Habitat but the expenses come out first and that yeah it's smart that's it's and and it's uh oh anyway I want that thing all right I don't know we done is there no we got more no we got more I we need we need the more Adam let's let's bring it up let's uh let's talk about one of the reasons that we're here well we're working on a new project um the project name for it is epilog um that's potentially the name for this box set I think that's what we're going to go with yes um it's going to be a collection of the last three albums on which I just mentioned earlier life will kill you from 2000 um my rods here from 2002 and the final album the win from 2003 um we're going to have some bonus material on there um depending on what we find um so far we've found some good stuff um from aforementioned dat tapes and Adat tapes and some other sources um we're hoping to get some live material on there and thanks to the uh podcast host that we're talking to um we made some inroads with Worldwide pants and we're hoping to include some audio from Warren's final performance on Letterman hopefully all three tracks again the lawyers are dealing with this now so lawyers are everything's in motion um but the good thing when you need them that's right but the good thing is everyone has been keen and helpful and we're trying to get this worked out because again um those albums were on Artemis um the the ownership for that went to a company called entertainment one and then it went to a company now called M&K um which is stylized for Monarch and then we have another company called Shi from store that actually physically releases them so we're working through the logistics of that um in addition waren performed in this time period um two other songs on The Late Show um he did porcelain monkey and the hockey song hit somebody yeah which again Paul does hit somebody part and um Warren son Jordan performs on stage with him too for that back I want that driving to the gym tomorrow on my Bronco that is such I want and then in addition worldwide pants also owns the rights to The Late Late Show with Craig hilborne uh Warren performed on that show twice in this time period um he did what songs M Mel miguela cud reeks and I was in the house when the house burned down and we'd really like to get those too so we don't know how that's all going to work out we don't know if we can get all the songs but we definitely like to have that last performance be a part of this set if possible y um we're hoping to find um in our own collection um some live shows from that period and we have a couple studio outakes um to go with that as I said we've had issues having um access to Masters um so for life will kill you the best thing we have right now is the um the master that's used to produce the CD um I think think that Master is slightly above CD quality right so there's not much we can do with that y um we do have a crew of folks we do still have the audio files um and some archaic form of um oh I just lost my train of thought what's the audio program um Pro Tools oh oh oh okay so we have that converted from the sessions and um you're going to be getting hopefully a new remaster of my rides here and and we just remastered the win for vinyl um so all those will be available CD with bonus tracks um and I'm currently designing a um a nice Deluxe book to hopefully go along with it um that's going to be the mockups you've shown me are amazing any release date no we're still working on it is that and you and you that's what I was looking for the the script for the uh the October 30 show yes so the idea is we'd like to do a deluxe box set like you know the who or the Rolling Stones or queen or the Beatles do you get your book you know your 80 page book or however it happens to be your CDs and then you know some memorabilia some posters from the time or tickets and what I asked da for was the script for um Warren's appearance on the uh The Late Show for his final appearance nice SE Sim of that I know I have it I've got three boxes that I was looking through while were all gabbing and and it wasn't there but I know I have it um and the nice thing is um Mike put me in touch with Walter Kim who's helping us out with this and don't know the name don't know Walter yeah he he seemed like a jerk really no Walter was a real good guy he's helping us out and um the nice thing is everyone wants this to happen and we're working towards making it happen we don't have a relase state because we're still working on it um but we have a good bit of work done and we're hoping that this is something that will come out and if it does well we'll see a vinyl version hopefully yeah if you yeah if you if if what I think the odds are better if Walter found the script and Walter said that they are in a storage facility in Jersey or by the way am I giving away Trade Secrets here no no no while I'm thank you for bringing this up because while I'm pitching pants all these uh ideas tonight uh I'm going to send this to Walter I'm say hey can you watch this we got a bunch of ideas and stuff and and things yeah but but but but Walter's a big Dylan fan and that's gonna like oh that's gon I wanted I want to do an episode where I go through the storage facility good luck with that I know good luck with that you imagine with the with Jordan's or Dave's no Dave um uh Warren was on Ferguson February 17 200 and June 28 2002 wow kill you mean k K that'd be kilborn um that's wow Jordan Jordan was playing with the wall flowers when they did lawyers gun and money on Jordan was on four times yeah two years later October 12th 2004 yeah and then searching for a heart on March June 707 yep you know a question that ibum preludes album yeah and his best appearance was April of 08 when he did the jokes on me yep from his um his solo album okay great album by the way it's streaming right now too anyone's interested um with the wallf flowers are those Letterman performances up online okay good yep they can be found so people should be going and looking for all of this stuff here um I want that book and uh man the mock-ups oh that's the question I was going to ask you Adam is it possible to get those mock-ups uh out there or are they like no no never never never not gonna okay uh and and everybody he got permission to show me this stuff and and and and and when we have Jordan on that might be something that maybe he wants to share or or we can at least talk about uh the theme or whatever I it's so beautiful and and uh a great in some ways a great entry point for someone to jump into Zeon it with a high quality way um and and with both feet the idea of the project kind of came from um the last there's been a couple compilations but the two disc compilation um called I'll sleep when I'm dead um it ends after mutineer and this is kind of everything after mutineer so it kind of fills in that Gap really well um we would love to do a career spanning compilation again um again it that's complicated though in terms of streaming rights and physical rights and all that stuff so um if anyone is interested yeah no no please finish I'm sorry I was gonna say if anyone is interested in getting in zebon um there's a Spotify playlist that I made it's the official zon playlist um it's called draw blood it's 40 tracks um curated by me and it's kind of what I would see as a good compilation um and honestly the tracks i' picked the day I did it would be different than the tracks I would pick today and it would probably be different than the tracks I'd pick tomorrow but I think it's a good starting point for anyone interested in hearing his main songs Adam I I gotta ask you again to you got to officially curate a warrant a Spotify playlist let's not go crazy here I hear you I'm just saying dream come true it was a cool day to do that yeah yeah um I I I God I hope that I can be tapped one day to help I mean Don I mean obviously you're working there or Consulting there whatever you whatever your Arrangement is you know I I have no idea what kind of an arrangement uh I'll also say this concerning the epilog project you know if we end up not being able to use you know Letterman tracks or or what have you um or we we're still G to do some sort of release with those three albums collected um yeah but the idea to use the let stuff was was high in our list we would love be able to include that wouldn't it be cool if somehow someway there could be a my next guest and Jordan is the guest in something and it becomes a thing I mean I'm just throwing that out there there's some there's some pretty cool possibilities that we could do because I still want this guy in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and I think that there's a sentiment for that if we did something to make it really Uber relevant again uh that would be a you know a shot in the arm for that endeavor wouldn't it the Hall of Fame was very interesting this year and that it created a lot of awareness about his music um of course Billy Joel helped with that I think it was an article in the LA Times where he kind of advocated for WN to get inducted which was a very nice of Billy to do um but I have access to the streaming numbers and all that stuff and it was really interesting to see the interest in his catalog increase um with the extra notoriety and the Press um Jordan and I and I started a kind of a ground Roots Facebook and social media campaign to to really get the word out there and we got him to number three in the popular vote behind George Michael and Cindy loer that's pretty darn good yeah um of course we'd love to see him go in um it didn't happen this year I think there's I think there's a lot of good reasons why that didn't happen um yeah I think George Michael's the I think George Michael's the headliner as he should be as the main person this year yeah but it gets to a point that you can't induct three or four people that passed away in the same year it gets kind of depressing so we're hoping for another year but we're running out of years I think there's a category there for somebody who's been gone for a long time but it's it's one of those ones like I think that you could have a you could have three of those a ceremony and not bump bump into each other because I mean you do one for every genre gosh you could do it for a hip-hop a a country and and and and Americana which I think I would that's how I would categorize Warren is Americana what you got there there's that picture here's here's the the den Daniel Allison uh uh picture that he took this is in the research Department in I guess 95 and she's holding a Warren a stack of Warren Zeon C did is there it is right there that's mineer yep from 95 and by the way any time that he plays mutineer the way he played it on Dave the quiet version of it with just the piano I don't know how many times he did that but that's my favorite I I like that so much better than the original he also performed it on the John Stewart show um the syndicated version of the John Stewart show after he left MTV it's worth checking out too um the the the kilborne performances um do you how are you going to access them or have you already we haven't yet we would assume all that would still be owned by worldwide pants so it would be hopefully wherever the the Letterman uh L show Library would be do a podcast featuring that as well I I don't know if they've digitized kilborne yet okay they may have but it's I I I don't know I I I think as of two years ago they had not um I assume that's probably not a priority either yeah yeah um I know I taped all the killborn so I have it but but but it's on VHS you know and it's probably mono too um do we I'm gonna change the subject I apologize do we know Ferguson's coming back right is this the first you're hearing of it Ferguson coming back coming back to what uh I believe syndicated late night syndicated really yeah he's gonna make a play syndication late night that's what I had heard I read it a in a couple different places um you know I I probably maybe should have Googled it before bringing it up again but screw it we're just I I could be wrong and I'm not attempted to come back too had like to be even when I'm wrong cated version kilborne attempted to come back too I think it was syndicated around the LA area I think it was was called the fact file or something like that where I think yeah he does yeah I know it's not a popular opinion and I know Peter Lally does not agree with this but I really like the Craig kilborne version of The L Late Show I like his uh I would say character but I think it was pretty pretty much him I like the the aura he had on TV I thought he was really funny we had their on our show it's amazing how how how we're like we both love Dylan and we both love killboard right we can all agree that Ferguson did a great job though I think oh love I liked him loved them so much I love those puppets those puppets made me so happy amazing oh my God I just because again he's throwing in a little bit of Mr Rogers into it and and and uh um that's amazing just with his own spin of course I love the musical openings oh my God I love the musical openings on Craig Ferguson um I'll see if I can dig these up dig these out well sorry go ahead I didn't mean no the kilborne stuff I'll see if I can dig them out um and I mean that literally because it's buried speaking of The Late Late show yeah um and we brought Tom Snider earlier I remember a few years ago I was reading an interview where they were doing a Tom Snider documentary called Tom who is that still a thing does anyone is that the one that Annie is a part of yes there is an incarnation of that and I can't say how much of it is close to that versus how much of it has completely changed uh there is still a project that is I'm waiting to have Annie on here we've we've we've actually booked times a couple of times and it just the timing's not right yet yet I think it's pretty close and that's one of the things she's going to talk about when she comes on here so so yeah definitely in the works to talk about that and I mean again as we're assembling a you know a nucleus of a group that potentially could be like she's she's another one that would be a part of that I think um I signed an NDA so I can't send anything and you're not lying it's annoying you have no idea how many times when we're talking that actually comes up I can't talk about gab mentioned it once or twice that's a good sign though um okay how are we doing here this is like what two is this two two hours three uh yeah it's it's a long time we're going style I love it um okay we're gonna finish we're gonna finish up here I'm gonna play yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna play all my Dylan songs good for you buddy I'm gonna be playing some more Beatles tonight that now and then is like I I'm in love with that song I want to learn it and play it on my guitar I love it so much I I have you listen to the fully remixed red and blue albums yet no it just arrived today I haven't watched either I haven't I haven't listened to either of them and and and there are no details in the linter notes are they streaming they're streaming okay I know what I'm doing when I've done this I'm going to so especially those the the early songs are typically in mono or if they are in Stereo the the vocals were in one channel and everything else was hard in the other channel right so they Ed that technology go ahead D yeah I mean do do you know if they love me do if if that was uh uh uh uh uh Peter Jackson yes they all were all of the songs were Peter Jackson and they' been remixed into stereo um okay yeah so holy pretty successful and The White Album is a part of this the white album's already been remixed um in a stereo from the original Master tapes and that came out in I don't know 2018 give or take a few years Sergeant Peppers was too right yes yeah revolver and on have all been released Deluxe revolver came out last year I think yeah yeah this uh this new song is just absolutely Bonkers to me I just can't believe it and and the video for it makes you cry holy smokes and it's funny uh I recommend this to folks who who might wanted to get into the Beatles If now and then is an access point then go back to 94 when they did free as a bird and watch that video as well and I love knowing that this version of a a remastered or re revitalized Beetle song is with AI and it cleans it up the one in 94 with free as a bird not so much it sounded like you were coming from a tape and it was it it and it has a charm to it it if you watch the video for free as a bird I think you'll have a new appreciation for it and it's a fantastic access point for people who want to get into the Beatles the meticulousness that Jeff Lyn had for those two tracks for the Anthology series is incredible it's amazing it was able to happen at all yep so yeah I'm surprised they didn't remix them for this project they came they came off as Jeff Lyn um tracks They did especially the drum sound you know I mean has been stuck with the the warus era so I never quite grew out of that but of course I know what I'm talking about you do you're a big I I'm making it up this coming from a Dyan fan yeah there it is holy crap this has been one of the coolest Letterman podcasts ever there's the red album yeah there we go he to pardon me those are the new versions yeah yeah yeah yeah I I double checked to make sure uh the copyright said 2023 then not 1940 the um artwork on the streaming platforms actually has 20123 on it so if you go looking for it Mike you'll you'll see it as soon as done I'm gonna dive into some Beatles tonight this is gonna be great it's fun to compare to the originals too and you know everyone will debate you know until the end of time whether it's better or not but we're still listening to it so absolutely they did something right uh there seven tracks from The White Album that that are on that are on here oh right they expanded it didn't they both album both are expanded from the original Revolution number nine one of them uh the single version of revolution is on there not not on not on here just I think just the single yeah the single version is not number single not number nine not the right not the version I like to eat a a a piece of canedy that is legal up here in Canada and there's the one right there that's one of my yeah that's a that's an entry point to another dimension I think um man this has been so much fun what else anything else before we I'm and I'm open I mean I'm whatever like we're rening this this is the first time I've ever done this I think it's got to be one part it's just us I love this let me see so much there's anything else there is a couple things we'll try to sell something before I leave yeah excitable boy is available from mobile Fidelity sound laab on 2 LP vinyl and super audio CD from the master tapes directly um are vinyl selling I know there there's a market but is it is it a big Market I think there's a high margin I think that's really what it comes down to and it's enough of a margin that people will pay for it I mean they sell vinyl in Walmart there's you know eight or 12 foot section there so if it's selling there and there's enough margin sure yeah I'm uh I'm severely limited right now I'm severely limited my my my ability to spend the way I like to spend sometimes um but the moment like my wife she's building the men's mental Wellness app he changed it and go to hechang it.com to find out what my wife and her amazing team are doing she's changing the world she's changing the world and I'm talking about David Letterman and all of the people that worked for him um I uh I married up anyway when that thing blows up and I have like near unlimited income I am building the biggest vinyl collection on the biggest tubeamp amazing setup and I am gonna like devote a room to it it'll probably be the same room my studio is in on the other end of it will be like a vinyl Central because all the sound proving on the walls and all that stuff and I I'm excited about that and Warren zon I'll have everything that he uh he has in vinyl Don what do you have there show and tell um this is the revolver that that came that that I got from a uh some sort of I forget what Outlet released this is the track listing different or is it just different art Well here here's what's the the fun part let me see if I can get this I have that too I'll be back yeah oh well look how revolver is spilled yeah yes it's spelled wrong it's got a spelling error on it yeah I'm curious if uh if if uh Adams will have the spelling error as well you better not oh man this is like the most hard-hitting podcast we've ever done it's unbelievable I love this I love this so much is it spelled wrong my copy is it spelled wrong no yeah no but this this is uh yeah check check the the spine check the spine look at Dawn's spine yeah I think that's Apple's version oh okay show show uh Adam yours again Don uh where is here we go oh look at that isn't that amazing someone I love this stuff that's that's the uh Tom broa pronunciation oh man I got a chance to talk to that uh to to Dan flarity I got a chance to talk to him about Brian Williams today that made me very very happy Brian Williams is like one of my number one gets for the Letterman podcast I want Brian something else that I yes oh my God there's a gold album award for the wind wow that's rad yeah so that that'll be hanging up here shortly oh my God that's fantastic Adam so you stole that out of the storage area exactly it's okay there's a stack of them it won't miss one one thing I do want to mention before I go yeah um Shooter Jennings son of Wayan Jennings famously walked out on Tom Snider it all comes back around I put up that I put up that show yeah I watched it a couple days ago it's hilarious Poor Tom has to fill like 20 minutes of airtime yeah because Laura la Dr Laura went over yes went way over and if anyone can fill 20 minutes of time it's Tom Snider he did absolutely um the standard whan son Shooter Jennings just released a live album called um Shooter Jennings and the werewolves of La do zvon and it's a live zvon album it's available on CD vinyl and streaming came out last week EXC and uh it's fantastic I know I don't get paid to say that it's really good see I'm gonna see if I can find something hang on Adam are you a YouTube fan a YouTube fan yeah or YouTube you the band the band I really really got into You2 when I was in college Y and um they just kind of fizzled out for me gotcha gotcha not like Bob where you kind of turned off the it's not like that it's just no no no nothing turned me off I just think they were it was just I don't want to say Overexposed but just seems like you can never get away from you two yeah no that's a that's a that's a fair point uh when act tongue baby had its I want to say 30th uh anniversary they had released the album with every track having a different band do a cover of that track interpret it interpret it and and and so it was like um Snow Patrol did uh uh was it with or without you I I anyway it's a it's it's I would love to see ninch nails did one um Jack White did love his blindness like it was spectacular cool um would Jack White's great oh he's fantastic would there be like a list somewhere if you were to put out a CD like that or an album like that and a and a list of bands to cover Warren songs has that ever been discuss there is h two tribute albums out um already um one's called Enjoy Every Sandwich um I think um Adam sord performed Werewolves of London on The Late Show actually to kind of promote it um Don's looking that up now as I speak um the power of this Triad and there's one called hurry home early yeah um so those are the two that are officially released it'll be fun to do another sort of revisiting of that obviously Linda ronat um early in her career um covered four of Warren's songs and that kind of paid the bills for Warren for a long time wow Jason Isabel mtin on The Late Show um so it would be fun to do that oh um dos Daws is a great band um it was a web exclusive they performed Desperados under the eaves um which was a web exclusive uh some I say 2012 2013 something like that so it would be great to have bands like Daws take part in do things like that I just want to express to the to to to the heads of the Warren zon estate and and Letterman and and all that your next generation's in good hands we go deep on this stuff and we care deep on this stuff holy smoke folks this is Don has some information for us what did you okay let's hear it Don oh the Jason isbel and is isbel or Isabelle isbel Isel and Amanda shers did the mutineer on April 24th 2015 so less than a month after the show ended that was four days after my day I was there on the April 20th uh it's mentioned here it says before Mike um that's right uh I couldn't find Adam perform performing Zeon on on Letterman and maybe he was on another show but uh maybe I thought he did Werewolves of London I know it's part of that that album I wonder if it would have been The Tonight Show um oh oh there it is I see it I I missed it because he was also promoting span Spanish splish yeah yeah December 1 154 you're absolutely right I want I want to listen Adam Sandler's song I want him to come on this show and oh what do we got there you know this album this this came out in 66 do you have the other included uh tracks this was the American version that included tracks that had been on the British versions of uh revolver and I think and and Rubber Soul but if you peel it off do you have the B oh you have that cover yeah look at that this is the butcher's cover the butcher cover uh I I it cost me $2.50 to get this holy CRA W and you're talking about 2023 yeah yeah that's fantastic so you know if if uh I you know I might be able to part with this if if you give me the address of the storage area but you seriously wouldn't it be cool if I had a a camera and I could go through the the Letterman storage unit the bo boxes of jackets I would find and all the fun things don't you think that'd be fun I think that'd be fun that's a it's a different conversation all right fair enough um I love both you guys this has been amazing but I'm calling it I'm calling it there are you I'm sorry it took me so I'm sorry it took me so long to get on no man it's okay it was It was supposed to happen what it was supposed to happen and uh this has been fantastic I can't wait to explore more I can't wait to see my my my vision is it never air so don't worry about it yeah that's right you hit the record button right um yes yes it's recording yeah um Don when we're done this check out the the video I put up of of of uh of Dan flare it's pretty good um on the Facebook on the I no I put it up on the YouTube Just a 12-minute video today it's a after we finished recording he started telling me more stories I'm like I have to record this and I turned it on and he told like three more stories including when he almost got his face incinerated by a kid from a kid science scientist uh segment um A kid threw flower and ignited it at the end of a tube and it came out and almost burnt his face off um we want that clip we want the clip if possible but uh I'm no longer allowed on on the YouTube so I know I know Mike do you have time for one more quick story of course are you a Star Wars fan I'm a gigantic Star Wars fan I slave one on my arm perfect yeah so here's a quick Zeon related Star Wars story all right did you hey there it is we can't call it slave one anymore I think it's called the fire spray or something it's always called no no it's always called slave one to me I have it in a box Boba Fett that's fantastically dorky wonderful I know man microphone on my back too that's awesome all right quick Star Wars hey that's the one awesome so Star Wars related zon story I cannot wait to hear a year or two ago on Disney plus they released that industrial item magic documentary love it absolutely love it it's great so I'm there watching it because I love Star Wars yeah and they start talking to this gentleman named Richard edin yes and they go through the history of each individual person that started ilm and I'm just eating up and it's wonderful yes and Richard edin starts talking about before he was with industrial Light of magic he took photographs um for rock and roll bands and did covers for rock and roll bands and it's doing the covers I think it's like Toto and whoever else and it shows the very first Zeon album called wanted de alive and I'm like holy crap this guy did like shot the cover for that album so I find his website shoot him an email his assistant gets back to me anyway I say who I am what I'm interested in I like the interviewing yada yada y yeah so um I leave my job U my normal job I pick up my daughter daycare my boss had called me and I was talking to my boss I get out the phone with him my phone rings again I assume it's my boss again so I pick up like hello this is Adam my daughter's in the background yelling and screaming and throwing candy and whatever and I just hear this voice go so um my assistant tells me you want to interview me and I have no clue who it is not a not an idea so I'm you know trying to drive home and trying to keep my daughter pacified and trying to remember what my boss wanted yeah so I'm just going along with the conversation oh yeah yeah it' be really nice to talk he said 'w I heard you want to talk about my friend Warren Zeon I'm like yeah um I would he's like well um my assist told me you got to hold me in um we can talk next Tuesday do you have a pencil and paper and I'm in the car thankfully I had a miniature golf pencil from going with my son oh that's such a perfect addition to the story you have a miniature golf pencil and it's perfect Dad it's perfect dad Karma had I not been a good dad and take my son to inure golfing I wouldn't have that pencil yeah so he's like all right Richard edland and I'm like oh it's the Star Wars guy so in the meantime I do all this research on him of course he's part of the academy Motion Picture Science and Arts he did all the Indiana Jones movies and Ghostbusters and die hard and of course Star Wars yep um so we set up a time and I interview him I asked maybe three questions and the interview was two hours and it was awesome and I'm still editing it and it'll be up on the website soon oh that's fantastic yep so so you recorded it I recorded it like like we're doing today um ex Letterman podcast Network Letterman podcast Network look what we so anyway I'm doing the interview like I am here in the room yes and I'm like I'm not gonna talk about die hard I'm not gonna talk about Star Wars I'm not going to be that guy and uh we get through all the Zeon stuff and his whole life history and he has a book He's a Memoirs that he's writing and um we talk about some maybe future zebon stuff and he says to me I see your posters on the wall do you like Star Wars like yeah I love Star Wars and he goes into the story of how they shot the opening scene of episode four the first Star Wars movie and he describes how the Star Destroyer going over camera yeah and how George wasn't sure about the shot and did the camera so close to the Star Destroyer was scraping the bottom of the model and you want to talk about freaking out this guy's just talking about Star Wars and making the movie for about half an hour straight and I didn't even ask him it was wonderful so that'll be coming soon on the website as soon as I'm done editing it so I one hour edited edited and I'll get the rest of it hopefully done soon Don's in editing hell right now aren't you buddy yeah stop talking about that um I if you if you had discussed this earlier I apologize what is your normal job um I'm in retail management I work on on the district management team for a retail manager so that's what I do by day I don't know what that means it pays the bills that's that's what it means okay yeah I understand that I'm gonna use Don's favorite word here um I'm gonna I'm gonna say dude we gotta manifest that this becomes we can do this fulltime and and do some real damage uh when it comes to this this this uh this thing that we love doing so much I know you and I both are just as passionate regardless if it ever does or doesn't but how cool would it be if it ever did um I'm so excited to know you man and Don was did you want to say one more thing before I close her up oh I have an xacto knife I see it I see it and and you use manifest as a verb you're gonna cut the Foo Fighter shirt right now aren't you well that was I hadn't considered that I want the food fighter shirt God damn it um I love you guys I appreciate you guys this has been uh the longest episode of the Letterman podcast by far I think um that guy's Adam hunger he's uh wor zon's guy hopefully that makes sense that's Don Giller if I can real quick yeah I'm always looking for help any zon collectors who has any who has anything posters uh press kits promo CDs any information I could be reached at adamw waren zon.com please get a hold of me there it is Adam atw Warren zon.com um Don Gillard go ahead he was in my apartment and I taped him uh playing a whole bunch of the new songs that hadn't been released yet you want that oh yeah I'm sorry there's no room to sing a song in Don's place there used to be um I love you guys thank you so much nice to meet you Don Mike thanks for having me on yeah love you guys so much um gosh that was just uh that was just too much fun it's so much fun that it shouldn't be legal I'm so grateful to these guys uh a lot of fun in this episode here Adam can't wait to have Jordan zon on but this is a fantastic Prelude and uh in between now and then go and uh consume some more and Zeon stuff get into it and so when we have Jordan on here um I know maybe we can do some q&as or something like that this has been another episode of the Letterman podcast with Mike Chisum coincidentally I am Mike Chisum thank you and good night overcoat and