Joanna Jordan has booked more folks than the desk sergeant of a local police station

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kindest human beings walking the face of the Earth right now now um Joanna Jordan spectacular story uh in in in Show Business uh this gal Robert Morton hired her to be a Booker for Late Show she comes over and and uh from from Great Britain where she was booking TV over there uh does a bang up job so much so that she starts getting bigger and bigger and realizing you know what I think I'm going to go out on my own and um and and and the Letterman people to their credit looked at her and said well you know what we'll be your first client and now she runs Central Talent booking one of the biggest um most respected Talent booking companies on the planet um you you you want to book an a-lister for something that's who you use uh Central Talent booking you can go to their website and check it out very very proud to have seen this gal become the selfmade PowerHouse of a I'll tell you this full disclosure um she's cordial she's delightful Charming disarming extremely intelligent has her finger on the pulse of everything and you know you could kind of feel it both in the phone conversations I had with her and and here a little bit intimidated a little bit intimidated in all the right ways she is just a Powerhouse but a kind Powerhouse at that very very excited to present Joanna Jordan today um yeah without further Ado the Letterman podcast happy to present Central Talent booking founder owner but before that Leo with David Letterman Booker Joanna Jordan all right I don't know for a fact I haven't done the math on this but we may have the busiest guest that we've ever had on the Letterman podcast here Joanna Jordan thank you so much much for taking time out of your insane schedule to be on the Letterman podcast today it means the world to me thank you my pleasure um okay so before we kind of get into the story because it is such a Charming story uh let's talk about CTB for a second Central Talent booking uh how how many employees do you have there's a good question um maybe 11 or 12 maybe 13 I I haven't counted lately so you've got hand you've got a team of people that do this when you started this it was uh if if if my information is correct you were doing it out of your office uh near Canal Street near Little Little Italy and did you ever in your when you had the vision for this thing striking out on your own did you think it would become as big as it is it's a good question um I don't think I had any any thoughts about what it was going to become come okay I mean I I don't you know I'm I made the decision to leave leaman because I was pregnant with my second child and um you know I was one of the few people that had children then I mean more and more had kids you know obviously Harry turned up later Arlo turned up later lots of kids turned up later but um you know Rob Bernette had kids I had kids um trying to Kathy was pregnant and Kathy had her child first daughter after I had my first son so you know there was a group that had kids and there was a group that didn't have kids yeah and um I uh started working at David letman when my son who is now 28 um was seven months old he had just started crawling and he would visit he he may have even learned to walk at Lam and we were always we were always practicing on his you know walking skills yeah um when he would come to visit but um sorry it's the dinging I'm like no don't worry about hey we can't hear it on our end it's good but I know how much your stuff is going off right now while you're doing this with me it's okay good I'm so glad you cannot hear it no no we're good we're good um so uh so basically um uh you know I was pregnant with my second child I told uh the producers that I you know I wanted to uh leave and I was going to start my own company and when Morty hired me he said the Swedish I always remember what he said when Morty hired me which was in October 1995 yeah he said to me or at least when we started talking I think it was October 95 um he said to me that uh you know if you come and work with us you'll probably become you know the biggest Global book in the world because I had been working for European television yeah and um I met them when Dave did a work of shows in London and they were having trouble booking the show that's where you met them okay well that's when I I've got my phone call from myty so a a publicist who has who has sadly um died uh called Nancy Ryder who was part of Baker Woka Ryder which was a major PR firm at that time I myty told Nancy oh we're having trouble finding bookings in London and uh Nancy said oh you should called Joe she works for all the British shows yeah um and that's how I met myty and then when myty offered me the job I was not sure I wanted to take it because I had a pretty good gig going with European television Y and um he said you know I think if you did US you would end up being this thing so um and I always remember him saying that to me I mean I I'm a I love Morty Morty I have such a a love for him so so I really appreciate having that memory uh what I love about that is the original question was when you when you when you Struck it on your own and you're running the agency from your apartment um you might not have seen getting to where you are now but more saw it and that was 10 years earlier than that which is kind of neat I kind of like that the Symmetry on that he obviously saw um you know what was what was uh the potential of what was there I am so curious to jump into this so so you've done a good job setting the table about um you know you showed up with the for the Letterman people in 95 uh before that let's go let's stay back in Britain for a minute obviously born and raised in Great Britain um and and oh you weren't okay oh you want to know all that stuff sure yeah we can spend a little time on that where'd you come from Joe um no I grew I grew up in the Far East I went to British boarding school I I moved to New York prior to starting at leaman I came here uh working for a British show that I thought I was going to work here for three months and then I stayed and I have have what you call an i Visa which is a Visa for foreign correspondents so I basically was working for British television and then um when myty called I had just got my H1 which is a another type of um uh thing for when you're you can work in America and because I was married and I had it purely because I was married I didn't apply for it it was just I had a working Visa to work in America because you know I I had it through my my husband at the time right so um you know but I worked on a lot of British television I worked on British television from the age of 19 to 27 so I worked in British television for eight years um and uh and then I got the call from lean always in a talent booking perspective or were you uh other other roles within the television when I was 19 I worked for a very successful Show on Channel 4 called Network 7 and it was a lot of high-profile producers in England and also worked on that show and um and then we we worked on a show called the word which was also a show that was very very popular in England um and yeah so I worked on all of these different British shows uh in New York I was running around Los Angeles and New York you know interviewing everyone from Tupac to Heavy D to uh yokono in Central Park to and then I was sending Talent back to the talk shows in England so I was sort of doing both I was like the entertainment girl I was you know in my early 20s I was I was it was a it was a great job but that building that building that Rolodex kids don't even know what a Rolodex is now anymore you were absolutely building that contact list um right from the very beginning and and oh my goodness some of the the musical acts you just named there uh you know we could go down so many rabbit holes like we did when we were on the on on the phone it'd be so easy to do that um how big of a deal you obviously knew how big of a deal Letterman was I assume uh uh you know his his popularity especially again during the early 90s uh hit a fever pitch you know with the whole late shift and and and Dave moving over to CBS um that was a story that wasn't just North America wide that went all over the world right you know how big Letterman was at that point yeah my I was it's interesting because I do think that when I first met Dave Morty introduced me to Dave in his office you know just before I got hired and I don't think my um I wasn't as Star Struck as um I think American kids that had grown up at Le with lman at College I noticed very quickly that I was not one I mean when my parents came to uh backstage at the show my mother asked me if um Dave was on once a week well it'san used to be right so there you go yeah and and my par and also you know I realized very quickly that um when you work at a show like Letterman a lot of people want to know I mean look at you a lot of people want to know what it's like to work at the show yeah and including all your family if you're American but for me that wasn't the case so I you know my job was I worked in for American TV right it wasn't work at David lman I work for American television and I suppose um that's kind of how you in especially in your role you kind of have to be you gotta be sort of insulated from some of the uh uh you know the Pomp and Circumstance of everything going on around and the and the circus the show that never ends you kind of you almost have to be insulated from that because your job is to supply very very high-end material for that show being of course in this case the example being people uh you know of different walks of life of the highest highest caliber uh you almost have to be I I would assume by that point any does anybody make you Star Struck like are you ever star struck or is that has that muscle been completely very few people but I can tell you who did at Laman please do and it's really the only person who did trying to think did anyone else I don't it's such a random thing it's Shard day the musician Shard day oh you just gave me goosebumps really the Smooth Operator herself yeah it's but but um I remember when David Bowie was at the show and Sheila and everyone was like you know all sh like happy that he was there and you know to me he was just like another British guy I it was but um yeah I never I never I you know I I I think that has a little bit to do with my childhood I had um an interesting childhood growing up in uh the Far East because my father worked um with the the Royal one of the royal families in Malaysia so I was very used to one minute being with you know playing in my garden with a G my Gardener who was in the Far East quite poor yeah but then on the weekends being at the beach with um you know royalty yeah and uh I think growing up I always treated everybody the same I've actually had that conversation with Anderson Cooper because I booked Anderson's daytime show for a few years and um Anderson had a similar experience growing up because his mom was Gloria Vanderbilt but he also loved going to the countryside where his his dad came from that was much more kind of just you know normal country American Life M America and um and I think that uh we could connect as people in the industry not really being so pulled into Fame yes if that makes sense being immune to that to the trappings uh that that that that can some kind sometimes and snare other people um you bring up an interesting idea I was going to get to it a little bit later but I'll get to it now you think about uh David Letter big personality think about Jimmy Kimmel big personality Anderson Cooper um you know big presence if not a big personality the last thing I would call Dave is a big personality well there you go oh yes for an hour for an hour a day big personality and the I don't even know if I would call Jimmy a big p I would I would say I mean the roots of Jimmy is Italian and the roots of um Dave is Indiana for sure but um I don't know if I would call them big person they would probably call me a big personality that's a great point I love the distinction because yeah when the when the red lights's on them you know and they're performing and they're on you know they got to take themselves they got to turn the volume all the way up uh you know for that hour or that 90 minutes whatever whatever it is that's a very very good point but also I would say that that job um when interviewing people is also to showcase the big part personalities that are in front of them too yes all you have to do is watch Jim Carry with either one of them and or Robin Williams with either one of them and they just let them that big personality go you just wind them up and just watch them yeah um the question that I was goingon to ask is when you're booking for a specific show um you know a a specific personality I think maybe maybe might be a better word than a big personality when you're booking for a specific show how is how important is it for you to kind of have an idea a personal knowledge about the sensibility of the host um obviously you know you want to get the a-listers the a-listers are you know and there's a list of those for sure but how important is it doing what you do to kind of have sort of a a personal kind of knowledge about the sensibility of the person that you're booking for oh it's everything I mean it's everything I mean they my job is to make sure that my guy shines yes you know I mean of course the the guests have to shine too and that's a responsibility of the segment producers that's a responsibility of the publicists who bring them or the agents that bring them or the movie studios in how they want to sell the product that they're selling but my job is to really make sure that I'm giving um I'm booking a show that is is going to make um my host shine and I can assure you if I don't I hear about it I'm just letting that go for a second here I'm messing I'm messing with them I I mean no you're not like like there have been some there have been some ones that are just masterful and there have been some ones that didn't necessarily hit the way that we kind of thought that they were going to hit um I'm just I'm super curious about this one here how how much how in- depth we can get into this stuff obviously we don't want to you know want we don't want to disparage anybody but sometimes things don't go as plann I would say so yes there's so many examples but but um you know but they're also what makes um you know it gives you that um lightning in a bottle right I mean that's what I mean well that's what we all want that's what you look for I mean when those moments occur I mean I was incredibly proud of Dave in the way he handled the whole far foret thing um I thought he did it with a lot of Grace and I think he really understood that he was you know taking care of her when the audience was actually turning again the first time was really kind of turning against her and and he you know he handled it I thought very well yes that's a great example um I know all the examples yeah I know you do and and so so which ones okay if we're we're going to talk about some moments here okay so you do know the sensibility of of of the show The Host was there ever a guest who you wanted to have that you never got Brad Pit yeah okay I mean I've had Bread on Kimmel I've had Bread on Kimmel doing um you know I'm [ __ ] Ben Affleck which okay we got to talk about that because you have a you have a a direct correlation to that which is a legendary bit now if Kimel has one bit that's kind of gone above and also and also he did a surprise walk on but he he hasn't sat in the chair is my point okay I booked Brad twice on Kimmel but never in the chair and the booking that I wish I had booked on lman before I got there or maybe I did book it I can't remember if I did or I didn't but I don't think I did because I think it was 94 that he was on would have to check was Leonardo DiCaprio as a guest when he was for I think it was for um Gilbert Grape I believe that was not me I mean it all starts blur you know I can't remember everyone was you know it's all a blur but um there's a lot I mean I've been booking late night television now for um for 28 years yeah so you know from the first time I went to work at leamon to to eight 10 years of lean of what six year four years and bit I think um inhouse yeah six years as my company yeah and then 18 years of Kimmel so so it's been um it's been about 28 years I'm whatever I don't um so uh you know I but I I would have liked to have done that Gilbert great I look at bookings that I would have liked to have done yes I mean there's so many I mean it's hard it's an interest you know I could I don't I try not to think about it's like it's like you know Janine garfo and uh Larry Sanders I just never I've never watch I can't watch that show I just can't watch it it's just too it's too close like it's too inside the feelings that are there I mean everybody was like obsessed with it and I just like I am I cannot watch that it's like like the bill Carter books too can't read them I won't read them oh that is fascinating to me Joanna I lived it I don't need to read it I don't need to read it and I don't need to watch some you know this is how a Booker is like I don't need that you are so Charming it's not even funny um okay so let's okay let's go back to that time 9495 I'm bad at following questions I'm I bad at I'm the last of this oh this is D Giller hates when I say this but this is jazz we're just going to go back and forth we're going to go wherever we want to go with this it's a conversation that's the I about about these things here and I'm having aall I hope you are uh tolerating me um I'm f um when you get there because I mean you're used to what you're used to over in England and um you know you get to New York um office immediately put into the Ed San theater office building uh for impressions of your first couple weeks there you can I remember C crying in the bathroom okay I cried in the bathroom because I missed my baby oh um I remember seeing very quickly the way Mory worked yeah and then telling him telling him off I told I oh setting we're setting a tone are we we making we had the board we had the board in his room and he was trying to change things and I pointed out that his changes were making everything worse right it was kind of a but it was a good moment because I think it's when we really bonded you know like he I wasn't afraid to tell him that wait a second no you're that if you do that I would I would no no no you have to move that back so then we kind of bonded but then um you know and it was you know I remember the I remember everything I remember walking on to meeting Sarah who now works at Fallon who's an amazing segment producer at Fallon she was um the receptionist I remember where Jerry Foley was I was actually put on the 14th floor when I first got that there for not long because I S I was in a room next to Louis CK who was working there still yeah and he hated me being next door because I was on the phone all the time got and and then one time also I remember many years later when Steve was writing the top 10 book I I seemed whenever I was in an office next to a writer they were always slamming their door Furious Furious that I was in the room next door because I was too loud I was too you know how can you write a book or write jokes when the booker is you know because it was all phone there there was no cell phone it was there was no email it was all phone so it was like a lot of phone um sorry sorry so I walked in 11th floor Jerry I had a very tiny office y um very tiny I was next to Sheila and then Zoe was down the hall and Cheryl was there and then Mary and H Daniel were um segment producers and then I think the researchers was maybe Jay and um I don't remember exact oh Kate who's now at The Daily Show yeah no she's not at the daily she's at John Oliver excuse me so this may not be there was the tiniest tiniest little uh room for the interns y um and then the next go up the stair and there's Diana Lewis who was the human interest Booker who had I mean maybe I got there before them I'm now forgetting who arrived when kind of gives you the lay of the land no you're painting a great picture yeah then I would go upstairs and Dave's office was to the left with l diamond and then there was um there was uh Nancy and Jude and Peter Lali was there and and myty and Susan outside Mor's office and Jen Carter who was who now work lives in Florida and works for the um a what is that bicycle the Pentagon the pon Pelon she work Pon G oh successful one wonderful girl and I loved her because Susan was very um organized and sensible but Jen was like this young intern who was just really entertaining and um was Dana year there yeah Jude's assistant and then obviously Barbara and Kathy so they all on that there and then you go up another floor and it's Jerry Mulligan and Maria Pope was the field producer and Jill leaderman was uh um Maria's assistant and um you know there was so many there donik and uh Chris and Carter and I can't remember who else but that gives you so that was what my that was your surroundings the people that were around you and that then there was Pat the money lady down on the seventh ninth or seventh floor with Paula who also has gone on to be very successful at NBC she's the money person for all of um NBC Daytime and stuff stuff like that wow and uh there was so it was a real and a I don't want to forget Amy Jerry's assistant and and obviously shecky as well and Vinnie Vinnie I mean was Vinnie there yet I don't remember Vinnie showed up I want to say it's 08 or 09 I think Vinnie showed up yeah so I was there before him I was way oh yeah see it's all a BL but but that you a little bit of Kath Kathy was pregnant y because I remember that I uh okay so those years um you know you talk about Carter's books and and and some of the different periodicals that have written articles about things over time sometimes artists would would would come out um we're talking uh this is the time when The Tonight Show and and and The Late Show um were jockeying constantly jockeying in all sorts of different ways uh one of the reasons that I've wanted to talk to you so badly um is is is just talking about about the idea of the balance between having clients um because now you can kind of talk about this in a different way with what you do now compared to back then back then allegiances to the Late Show we're trying to get our bookings to the late show and all that now you have clients who have multiple opportunities in front of them and you're trying to figure out the best path for them to take um you know you've seen those both those worlds I want to talk about both those worlds today but back then though um getting bookings uh you know as as as a coup as a yes we did this having bookings taken away all of that kind of stuff it must have been insane when it comes to pressure um for you at that time in that place well I mean I I remember when Johnny Carson did A Walk On for a week of shows in LA and um uh Dave being so excited and it makes me think about the first time Dave did Kimmel and Jimmy being so excited yes and um but to answer your question as best I can because that is a loaded question um when I got there obviously it was um the the T there was Todd and Tracy at Leno yep and it was me and Zoe and Sheila the music mainly at lman and we had the Olympics they didn't yeah nowc has the Olympics which is important um we uh it would I would watch Leno every morning yeah the guests Leno would follow us and we would not follow Leno so um Leno would follow us H for second wave of a movie so we would have them on and then Lena would follow afterwards now you could argue that when everyone in America has seen the movie it could be better to have them after yes the pre versus the post yeah you know was Debbie Vickers was the executive producer of Leno and I have to say I've never met her in my whole life but I am in awe of that woman I think she was brilliant yeah I think she was an amazing executive producer she would follow the minute by minutes of Leno uh so smartly I remember when they really tried to get Jack Hannah they tried so hard because they knew Jack are rated and they were they did everything they could to pull Jack away from us and Jack didn't didn't go you're kidding oh you know what can I tell you so um so that was um you know I mean there's so many things I mean if you had lists of names I could probably tell you so I got a question for you though you knew you you knew of Debbie and I mean we've all yeah Debbie Vickers absolutely but you mentioned the booking team from from from Lena were you friendly with them did you talk to them I got to know them afterwards I got them to know and the first time I ever met Paula who booked Conan was when the rider strike happened not this one the last one y and I felt so bad for her that she that we met uh for for drinks um uh so you know because we all you know there's that it's different now it's different even during the the the what just end hopefully ended the strike um you know I know lri and Ella at Fallon because um Lori used to work for Ellen and um L is a well-known publicist Mar marida solivan sister um the Bookers at um uh Co bear used to be at good she used to be at Good Morning America so we were all ABC um the book so everyone's in trying Sheila I hear is going over to SNL so um I don't know if I may be allowed to say that but that's what I had okay so the rumor is maybe potentially by the way Sheila Rogers uh from what I from my perspective anyway the best hair in Show Business whether it's on camera behind camera whatever best hair I would love to talk to Sheila Rogers I'm a huge music fan and I have many many many music questions well Zoe and I used to have a joke about Sheila back in the day um and she would no one would get more flowers than Sheila she so many flowers and zo and I were always like we need to do what Sheila's doing what are we what are we doing that um you know the music industry we all always sending her flowers it was so funny um but yeah so she what was I forgot what the question was again no so back let's go back to the the the pressure of booking back then and then the the the the back and forth with with with the Leno you brought up a really interesting point how it was almost like there's sort of a ceasefire we're g to get the guest before the movie comes out they're going to get the guest after the movie comes out had that been established by the time you showed up or did you establish that uh no I think that that was aleno established that I had nothing to do with that I have I've I've had quite a few tricks through you'd have to ask publicists about that but but um but I uh no that was that was something they did that I thought was smart um Tracy works for James cordon's company now and Todd was an executive producer on Queen Latifa which was a daytime show that my company booked so um you know I've through through the 28 years I've I I don't think there's anyone that I don't know or maybe there is I or anyone I don't you know yeah that yeah um I mean we're we're we're we're so far out of it right now I'm super curious about any guests that uh you had that were stolen or or or uh canceled and then they went somewhere else versus any guests that well I worked really hard to get a I worked re Alan n who's an one of the best the one the best publicists he's awesome everybody loves Allan and cow Denzel was very loyal to Leno and I worked really hard to get Leno Denzel to come over to lamman to give lean a chance yeah um Ben Affleck was pretty um loyal to Leno um you know but we had our people too obviously Julia Roberts jumps right up there y I mean Julia and Dave was just always so special George Clooney I mean the the friends the friends Talent had to do Leno because of NBC but they always all wanted to do lman yeah they all were lman people so you know every um Leno always booked them on a Thursday night to get the lead to hold the leading of friends y um Jerry Jerry Seinfeld had has uh has again did Leno because of NBC but has a very had a very nice relationship with um Dave Howard's done um I was gonna ask about Howard Howard has definitely an incredible bond with Dave I mean I do know that I mean I have heard um that you know I think Dave's always had a lot of respect for Howard's interview style y um and uh like Regis too he always respected the way Regis interviewed yeah um so you know that's some I don't know there's a random these are random things that keep popping up into my head oh yeah no no no and and again just like our phone conversation I love that I love that we can just kind of go there and all of the random things that pop in are fascinating um so I wanted there is there is one night I before I forget you talk about Howard Stern some of these you had some big booking moments from a timing perspective uh from from from some of the comedy nerds like like I throw myself into this for sure I thought it was absolutely fascinating that the very day that nor McDonald got thrown off of Weekend Update you guys got him that night on Late Show which I thought was unbelievable that you brought in I don't know if that was um you know my my memory I don't remember if it was booked before or if it was booked day of I doubt it was booked I mean was he a second guest or a first guest do you remember I oh that part I don't I don't know we'll get Dawn to to look that up I feel like he was a first gu he went multiple segments so I feel like I don't remember what happened I don't know if it was during my time I don't have a memory but Norm was Norm right I mean Norm was such a favorite of uh the shows that I mean we could never get enough of Norm I love that you said that you don't say that about a lot of people you know yeah I mean there you might there really is just a small group that how you can say that about yeah well that that particular booking because I mean norm and you think about that I think that there are probably three maybe four uh talk show host Daniel and Norm were always playing poker together I remember that Daniel kellison yeah yeah that's that's a game I would Lov to have been uh been a part of um that particular one he had just lost Weekend Update he comes over and he and Dave are just firebombing just firebombing the executives at NBC and it was just it seemed like one of those Perfect Storm moments where you just the timing could not have been better it was such a good uh piece of television and piece of entertainment um Bookers have a huge part to play in that I think about the Super Bowl winners and and all of that um you helped establish some of these track records of getting these timing uh guests in the chair uh was that something that was strategic was that was something that just made sense to do it was it a you know any any book uh there's always I mean you you you know I'm staring at a calendar all day long right and we you're always working out what was going to happen where possibly and that's the same for Good Morning America or you know all the shows all the Bookers you have to um you know the biggest movies that are coming out you know when if there's going to be an Emmy winner the day after the Emmys you know who the favorites are um you know you know the politics you know there are key moments in the PO political um you know let's say you want to have someone the day after they were part of um sorry I'm how do you say when they're all being uh talking to each other sorry I'm a debate debate thank you um you know so the day you want someone the day after the debate so those sort of um you know many many examples I can't go into you know you're kind of assessing like the Super Bowl winner the day after the Super Bowl yeah you know all those kind of key moments the the people that win with the playoffs the people who win the golf tournaments all of the winners all I mean all of that stuff and then there are the moments that just happen and then everyone is going after those people right so when it's a big topical story whatever that might be it could be a little human interest story it could be a little league kid it could be anything um I always made sure that there was also you also have to be conscious of the ratings right so what's going to rate like in this is back in the day when sweeps was everything so we always booked I'm just grabbing some water we always booked um um pet tricks and human tricks in February and may you know there's sort of just certain things that you do y that sorry I got to drink water no no no no I'm marveling at your talent how you're able to multitask I can't do that that's amazing well if I couldn't do that I wouldn't be a very good Booker but um yeah so um you know so when I look at the calendar you look at January you know when there are the voting periods for for the Oscars you know when there are the voting periods for the Grammys you know uh which are the key football games and and the you know the lead up to the football you know when people are coming through New York from the Berlin film festival in February like there's it's you can literally go through the calendar and start working out but going back to the norm question I mean those moments happen and that's you got to jump on the phone right you gota jump on the phone and gra and sometimes if you don't have the space to put let's say Dave said I want Norm on that day which is very possible that he said that yeah um then I have to move a guest yes so I'm it's not about book Norm that's what you're missing here Norm would have been he would have been I mean there would have been conversations I mean Norm would be like I'll do it yeah especially Norm I get the one to be the one who tells somebody that they're not doing the show that night right and then I have to move things and it's like a puzzle you have to move everybody to one time I had I've had days with leaman where I was on offered let's say Tom Hanks Shan connory and Bill Clinton all on the same night and I to walk out how to you know navigate that so I get all three bookings y I don't know if that answers a question and you had no well I I I was going there as well um and the way that I was going to open up that door was I was gonna ask this uh did you have a flower company on speed di like I assume that you are the uh you know you're the diplom you're in a lot of ways you are the Diplomatic wing of Late Show because you know you're having to thank people you're having to woo people and sometimes you're having to say oh I'm sorry we messed up on this or the circumstances happened here and and and keep those Olive branches out there for these people because because at the end of the day you know you have these publicists or maybe even the the talent themselves they're also building a relationship with you oh I know the talent Booker at Letterman and there's a relationship there that's give and take and um I assume that that that is something when you have somebody who uh uh you know I'm sorry President Clinton is coming on I'm sorry Mr aist or Miss alist uh actor we're gonna have to bump you there's a there's a there's a there's a certain set of skills to be able to handle that situation isn't there well I mean honesty is the best policy in my opinion you know so you just you call the rep and you explain the Dilemma whatever is and you try to work together to work out the best way to handle it and if if there are situations where it is a huge problem for the talent it's not that we don't you know we're not conscious of that we are conscious of that and it's not that we're not um but we but my what I always remember when I'm staring at the calendar is my job is to deliver the best show I possibly can now that doesn't always mean that it rates because it ratings is all about leading but you but if you're consistently giving your host a well booked show every night whether you have the lead in or not you are giving them the opportunity to shine consistently and then you know with that the audience um you know is in love with that M um yes every time you ask me a question I think I'm answering it something something else a different qu no again it's a no no no no it's a conversation ter guest I'm a terrible I'm a talent Booker who's a terrible guest I disagree entirely and so too will our audience um there are going to be people who are Spellbound by this because it is it is an art I I um when somebody would be would be uh would be bumped did you have times where people were emotional about it where they were upset by it well I mean the first time Jimmy uh was booked on Letterman he was bumped we Roseanne went way too long and um you're talking about Jimmy Kimmel yeah Jimmy Kimmel the first time Jimmy arrives he's like you know his dream has come true yep and then we and I booked him I booked him on lman and then was he doing was he R he was Radio Jimmy at that point right I no he was Mano Jimmy oh he was Mano Jimmy okay yeah so um we uh anyway he was could not have been more gracious I mean I know Jimmy well enough today that it but he was so gracious we I think we booked him two or three days later he would remember better than I do and um and it was really just because of time I mean both there is a whole answer about bumping you know when myty and Rob when Rob was the head riter and Morty was the executive producer that bumping which and the the worst of the the bumping happened um in that period even before I got there so I would say the worst of the bumping was 95 95 early 95 let's say it was then Y and one of my big jobs when I was when I arrived was really to to fix that fix that the the the issues that bumping had caused because there was a period of time when um you know bumping did get out of hand and it really got out of hand because you had Rob and Morty both fighting for time and it was it was sort of talent versus comedy and um hence why then um Rob became executive producer so so there was definitely um you know and then once Rob became my executive producer and those those situations were no longer yeah my job was to go out there into the external world and do everything I could to fix the the those moments that had occurred little bit of clean up yeah clean up a lot of cleanup yeah and what was that was that you having lunch with publicists and and building bridges that way sending flowers phone calls to the actual talent all the above all of the above you name it we did that because that was important and you know I mean Rob's when Rob became executive producer he really just put so much attention on just the comedy of the show that he really left me to it it was re and I mean that was kind of wild you know there I was by then I was 28 years old I think and suddenly and I was I know it's so funny now I look back and because I'm I'm 56 now and I look back and I'm just like but you know Rob and Dave were in their Zone doing the comedy and it was it was a good period at lamman because there was a really strong connection between the two of them at that time yeah and um and they just uh you know they really I mean they trusted me I don't know why they did but they did I think they did I mean you'd have to ask them clearly clearly because when you struck out on their own they became uh when you struck out on your on your own I should say they became your first client we're gonna get to that but I want to stay back uh just with with that period of time you also had another piece of pressure that that I think a lot of folks don't necessarily take into consideration um you know worldwide pants owns the show for certain however the real estate that the show is placed on is CBS you also had Network people in your ear trying to get you to make sure that the the the Tiffany Network's best and brightest got to shine on Dave stage um and you had to kind of be the be the the the barrier saying the show wants to do what the show is going to do that is a very interesting Dynamic for for for you as well isn't it again honesty was the best policy I mean I I would love to remember some you know and that happened that's happened uh that happened hold on my dogs just came back from the dog walk Hey Howard hey um so this your dog's name is Howard named after Howard Stringer I'm sure no he's named after um a toy in a movie but but not Howard done either um that's funny I went to Stringer instead of stern at first that's funny most people most people think it's Howard done but it was not but my other dog is called Dudley and he's named after Dudley Moore outstanding that's that's Charming beyond measure that's excellent oh good good hold on I'm gonna let Dudley in one second because he's standing this is this is a fantastic episode it's amazing how you can go and do this D let's go and you you call New York home right I called New York home um but I live um between now that um my children are adults I live between um Dumbo in New York and um milbrook I'm in milbrook today so you know if I'm just on zooms all day and I don't have meetings I'll stay in milbrook and if um if I have to be but I I'm in the city when I need to like I was in the city all last week yeah um does New York does New York still have its magic for you it does yeah yeah it's I I think um New York is home I love hearing that that's fantastic so uh a transplant but a New Yorker that's what you consider yourself well you know 911 did that you know I think I was at I was at lean during 911 and um you know Dan Rather cried I remember booking um begging uh ran Gumble and Matthew brck to do the show that week I mean I remember when Drew got uh Anthrax when she was doing and canceled SNL um I mean it was all I mean that whole time was but I mean that's a professional level but but on a personal level I think if if you live in New York during 911 you've become you're a New Yorker alwayss I uh I have the um one of my my 911 tradition is that I watch the entire um episode that coming back the first episode back with Dan Rather um and I watch it in its entirety and it is every year that goes by it gets even more fascinating because of the the the the conversation obviously Dave's I've never watched I've never watched it other than as it was happening and I hardly watched it as it was happening because there was so many other things happening as it was happening um but but I don't think I would watch that again so so you and I a different like the interview with rather is fascinating Through The Eyes Of History like Through The Eyes of of of of like when when the United States left Afghanistan um the seeds of that were all talked about in the interview with Dan Rather it was a it was absolutely um nothing short of fascinating I mean to me that is the perfect at the time the the anchor of the CBS Evening News that is that is who you have and then of course Dave's joke um and you know we've got reges here so thank youness we' got something to make fun of like that is the perfect yes perfect letter you know and also it was very hard to book that week because I think Talent would just they just it was so emotional everybody was so you know no one wanted to say the wrong thing you know everybody was super sensitive everyone was dealing with it from you know different places so it was a it was not an easy time to book as well I mean well I was gonna say I I've talked to many of the writers you know like you talk to a guy like Tommy rup and I mean you know making his bones on making fun of of of George Bush Jr President Bush Jr you know making his bones on that like absolutely building an entire you know culture and ecosystem making fun of this guy um and it's a different tone back then making fun of of of the the leaders of the land than it is now it's a completely different deal deal but you know when can we start making fun of okay he walked into a wall this time can we can we come back to that can we I assume that it was similar for yourself um when can we book certain guests when is the toe like the the the tone of the show shifted real serious for a while and then gradually kind of got back and became kind of a a new version of the show I think it grew up a little bit during funny though too people need funny during those times too you know because it's you know when you're going through a sad period in history and in in in American history you also need to be able to like relax by watching your late night show and having having a smile before you fall asleep so you know I don't think that um oh my God my [ __ ] textes will just not stop sorry I've got eight Texas let that's okay check none of them out okay I'm good I'm sorry um that always happens by the way you know that there's always a drama when you don't when I going back to Brad Pit the first time I booked him for um I'm [ __ ] Ben Affleck I was actually in Disneyland with my kids it booked it was I think it was a Saturday I don't really know why I was there but but um I had to make my children walk all the way back to the hotel room with me to deal with booking Brad because you know I had to get on I had to get on my phone and laptop to H deal with it so that's you know par the parents of late night you know when you're just about to get on a ride nope okay everybody nope sorry my you know my cell phone says you know so those moments it's um I have a friend who's a who's a who's a high-end realtor and and and they they kind of have that relationship ship with their phone they also have a support staff and sometimes it's like no no no I'm going to let so and so handle it they kind of quarterback what's going to happen I assume the Sim it's similar here um now you're at a stage where again CTB is is is so big and has so much uh clout in the industry and and such a such a a place in the industry but at the end of the day you're still helming this ship you've got these lieutenants are there still situations though where it's like no we're bringing Joanna in personally on this um well it's a it's a good question I mean my I would like to say that I'm I'm always involved in everything you know because this it's my company is the reputation of my company I have a style in which we do things at CTB which the external world of publicist managers agents music rep Sports rep I they know our reputation and and I I work hard to make sure that we work the all the teams of all the media Outlets that we work on we are servicing them in a a a way that I I've you know kind of worked on you know it's a culture that you've built yeah exactly and and um you know but I have a lot of people who have worked with me for a long time you know a fun story Kelly propes who works inh house at Jimmy Kimmel life was Jill lerman's intern at lean Rema who went on to worked at um uh CTB for 10 years went to work for Fallon and then um she was Celia's intern at lman Celia who was at lamman with me who was a human interest booking Booker adman works at CTB so there's a lot of you know I got to Kimmel three months before Jill I think it was about three months before Jill came you know and obviously when Dave Dave would be um at Kimmel yeah um you know you know Jill Jill Jill no one is more excited than was excited than Jill when Dave would I mean even maybe more than Jimmy I mean I don't want to upset Jimmy but he know Jill was as excited if not more I was the least excited no no yeah you're pretty unflappable aren't you I was happy to see Mary as well unless sh's in the house you're pretty unflappable no it was it was fine hey Dave how are you um but but um but uh I was happy to see I love Mary he has a really awesome assistant and Mary was Mary Barkley yeah ified of her but I adore her um you wouldn't be she wasn't she wasn't in tell you um she wasn't a great in she was an intern yeah for Dave I don't even remember that you'd have to ask her I can't remember but anyway she's she's a very she's a good person and she keeps Dave grounded and I appreciate that and and and and funny is all ghetto she is so she does not look like she wants to be on that show da I me Bar's kind of fine but Mary just looks like she just does not want to be there it's so great I mean but which of course is why she's there because Dave probably likes that she doesn't want to be that yeah and the stuff that just comes out of her mouth is just so funny and yeah you're right there is that little bite of of disdain perhaps um it's just it's it's fantastic chemistry it's it's lovely um I I I want to go back to relationship it's a real Rel that is a real relationship yeah that's they are funny together it's I do find it amusing anytime that uh and I'm gonna say this as respectfully as possible anytime there's been somebody who doesn't take any of Dave's crap uh who can see past it and can kind of throw him other stuff that he can then take and build on and whatnot has always been something that uh that I I I love Mary clearly has that some of these behind the scenes folks have that rapport with him and there's something really really Charming about that I want to go back to Jill leaderman for a second because she's somebody who I would absolutely of course loved it to to have on here the Delight that she took in having Dave come on onto Jimmy like that is a real I love hearing that and there's a lot of that around and also you know Jill no one took better care of Jill's Mom sorry not Jill Dave's mom than Jill I mean that is sweet too all those all those I mean she'll have to tell you when she she's guest yeah but all those going to visit uh Dave's mom for Thanksgiving you know the pie and all of that and going with bit to all those all those places that they went together I mean that was all gel that was all gel oh see this is why we do the Letterman podcast because again I mean the guy is great but it's the people that were around the guy that made it even better and it was the Sim the you know we we talk about this as being the celebration of Dave and Company because the company um you know there's so many more stories in there and and and and and it wasn't just about the guy uh though we love the guy this is this is it I love hearing this stuff um so let's go back uh you decided the ambition was growing the the vision there uh was was there that you weren't just going to be in house anymore how nervous were you when you uh had made the decision to start CTB and to and to tell the Letterman folks about it and who did you tell about it and did you did you know that they were going to be your first client or was that a surprise to you it was a complete surprise I was not nervous um I told Rob um I think I told Rob um or maybe somebody one of my people told Rob I'm not sure but anyway he I mean you know listen I mean I have you know I think that um I think you know I found Rob quite challenging at the end um because you know he was growing too he was you know writing shows and yeah doing other things and aspirations to direct aspirations to do all sorts of stuff yeah yeah I mean he he he wanted and that I mean that that gave some challenges to me but um but you know I think that there was he he was very time to well I think he want he didn't want me to stop booking the show because it was a we had a well-oiled machine going and Sheila took over the department and uh you know I basically booked the lead guests less and less the second guests I mean also it was a pain in the ass by then you know you had the sangles Jude Barbara I can't even there was like nine executive producers I mean I don't even once kind of wasn't there as much I me as well there were so many you couldn't make a decision without 25 people deciding what what was happening um so uh yeah so it was changing it was changing you know Maria Maria was a segment producer she she did all the kind of key you know the Tom Hanks and those kinds of people and she'd been at the show she grew up at the show and obviously is at Fallon now yeah um as a segment producer as well um so it was it was you know I was kind of a little I was a kind of I needed I needed a change I needed a change you know it was it was internally it was not uh what it was when Dave the The Sweet Spot for me was when it was when Rob and Dave were really good friends and they were really walking on the comedy together and they they let me do it once the that changed a bit um and there were more producers involved and everything became more yeah um it it was um I just I I it was a lot of politics and I I decided that I wanted this to do what I you know I didn't want I was never going to be a producer I'm still not a producer I mean well I am a producer but I don't think of myself like a producer yeah my title at Kimel I have a supervising Talent producing title but you know in my heart of heart I am and always will be a Booker you know even when I was talking to Marcy Klein Marcy's a friend and she's still a Booker you know like once you're a Booker do people that we're Bookers you know we're Bookers at heart J Jamie too Jamie who's no longer at Fallon I mean who became the executive producer and and shout out to Jamie because she just got thrown under the bus a big way um um you uh you know we're Bookers we're Bookers and our job is to make the best shows that we can give the host and give the producers to make or do all of what they do well and that um that is uh that that's who I am I I have a personal question for you um I book this show and and and there is um there is no I don't know I love what we're doing right here the joy that I was about to say there's no joy that I get more the joy of doing this is insane like it's just this is the best part of my week Joanna honestly like I love this I don't know what it is I don't know how it works but no drug could ever touch this the dopamine that's being dropped into my system right now is insane however just under that like right almost that is my reaching out and building poor like like reaching out out of nowhere just like I did with you um and and and and getting a little bit of a okay response back and then starting to build the Rapport and build the relationship and build that which will then culminate in this and who knows what after as well but in my mind a legitimate relationship um you know that that that's that's unique there's some professional there there's some you know obviously Rapport where where there's vulnerability shared all that kind of stuff my question is this so that is that that partially being a Booker like is that is that does that something that translates is that part of it a th% I mean how many episodes have you done now uh I think this is 90 this one here might be episode 90 we got a few in the can but I think this is 90 someone good for your 100th episode I I've got a couple feelers out there I was actually gonna I was actually gonna pick your brain when we hit stop on that you have to have someone for your 100 so that that is important let's just start working on that right now rightly Dave Dave would be king obviously I don't know if he would do it because it's just is the sort of thing that he would definitely say no to yes because and and not for the wrong reasons right you know so it's not it's but but maybe I'm wrong I mean Barbara gains have you done Barbara uh I have I haven't Barbara and I had a nice little moment um about a year ago when I was in New York um I haven't asked her since um I'm going into New York in a couple weeks and and and when I'm there there will probably be a couple of overtures made um and she's certainly one of them I mean yeah um since the weather show or whatever that was so so I mean wasn't I how's the weather yeah no um yeah and I've a few others that uh well i' I've sort of already kind of reached out to Jimmy I've got a couple other little uh little ways that I can get directly to him and so um he's one that I would love to have obviously a Conan uh mirl Marco like I've got a whole list of people that would be dream guest that would be interesting oh yeah oh she is like I okay I've said this before and it's it's still the truth if you gave me the choice of who I could have on the show whether it was Dave or Merill I would have to think about it like that like she is she is absolutely I I have reverence for da more nervous as a guest than her so I you watch when she's on gets very nervous so that I I would always find that quite enjoyable oh yeah the electricity it was the feel any time that there was a guest sitting beside him where there was electricity and you could feel it and there's a lot of moments uh when Oprah sat down the first time about electric that was Julia Roberts electricity with bar that was anxiety that oh there you go okay good call very very good call that was not that it was different like it's different did you ever think that when you were booking the show did you ever think oh this person is going to create X type of feeling for the viewer it's going to go out there was that something that was cognizant uh to you when you were no I always think about the host I always think about um because you know if the host is not I mean all you have to watch people on Ellen that Ellen doesn't want to have on the show I mean it's like really really obvious um um so it was uh you know it's bad I mean there is a part I mean going back to your network question I mean there are politics that play into it that you have to book somebody sometimes for the network but but I would always let the host would know you know they would know and and you know I mean they're very Pol interviewers so they un then they're no you know these are not these are very hardworking men who are very disciplined who understand the politics I mean when I was 28 years old booking Letterman I can assure you Dave knew the politics much better than I I did I mean and and he UND he understood what was sometimes I would get push back right but I might not have understood the push back 28 but maybe at 56 I would understand the push back but um there's another level happening here there's a subtext that you're not aware of that those those days when it was um you know Mike Ovitz and Lee gabler from CAA and I have to do a big shout out to for Fred Nigro who was Dave's business manager for many many years who was a fantastic man fantastic man also you know also worked with people like Tom Cruz and Nicole Kidman like very very successful business manager Jacka away too the lawyer like really who is Jimmy's lawyer um uh if I'm allowed to say that am I allowed to say oh yeah I think it's very well known that Jimmy Kimmel has tried to pull as many people associated with Dave into the fold as as as as appropriate for sure I will say a sweet moment when Dave did uh did Kimmel was when he said said on air that uh some of the best people from his show were do working on Kimel now I was I I smiled about that that that that meant something I just want one of the ties that Dave gave Jimmy I just want one of those ties um he I don't know if you knew that he gave sure Molly I'm sure Molly's trying to well maybe not Molly's always trying to get rid of things that did Dave's Jimmy's a little bit of someone that likes to keep everything so you know when you're married to Jimmy you're always trying to get if you haven't seen the segment on his show he's she's always trying to get rid of things I don't I I I have a hard time believing that he would part with very many of the ties that Dave gave him but what that's a that's for sure no it would be done with Force if it happen all right Molly there's a guy up here who would take one or two of those things off your hands um wait okay so you you go off on your own and then you get to a point where you're booking both shows that were at the same time that did that not happen no no so oh oh so I was booking lman yes and then I was booking kilborn yes I was seeing kilborn and then I I over saw Ferguson for a minute but then they said we want our own people okay and at some point I got a phone call from Duncan who was an executive producer at Kimmel before yeah who came from British television so I knew him from British television and he asked me if he could use my West Coast office to book Kimmel and um I went to um I went to ask lean if I could do it and they said no and then I made the decision to leave interesting because and the real reason is because I saw so much potential in Jimmy and I was so excited to do something that you know that was I could build it I knew what I had to do I mean it sounds crazy now but when I first got to Kimmel no one had called Matt Damon no one had picked up the phone to Allan mattt Dam proba ridiculous are you kidding me yeah because they just felt that it was too big I remember the first time we booked will frell on Kimmel and Matt leov who was his publicist was getting a little bit irritated by the enthusiasm from the staff for having will on the show yeah and I said because this okay this is a little bit of a badass example I said to I said to Matt I said listen Matt this is is going to be a Big Show and yes everyone is very excited the will is on but if you're going to be horrible to me about it which he was and he was just getting irritated that everyone was very enthusiastic because everyone's because he's Jade he was jaded and they weren't um I said let me be clear about something we're gonna make this show really really successful and I'm going to remember everyone who's going to help me do it so I badass I got goosebumps Joan you're gonna help me or so you decide are you helping me or are you not helping me because then I'm GNA know if you are helping me or you're not helping me anyway so then will did the show and has Well's done the show many times yes and well well and and Matt Matt was Matt was an amazing publicist he was the most powerful comedian publicist the whole time time I was at lman um amazing amazing but you know like all of us no one is perfect right and you get close to the fire you're gonna get burnt and you're gonna get tired and you're gonna get drained I in many ways so all these people that have all this pressure from all these different angles you know no one is we none of us are perfect there's always a bad day there's always you make a mistake whatever and but I had a mission and I remember the first time I said to Jimmy I started walk on his show and I could see things that needed to be changed and stuff and I sent him a big email and I said I don't know you're gonna have to be Superman this is gonna be a lot you know because it was a lot there was a lot oh yeah and um and he said to and I always remember this and I'm so boring because I tell the story so many times but um he said I'm putting on my red tights now which I thought was so so Charming that's just y he's like you're gonna be Superman like he was putting on his red ties yeah um well and when you think about where that show came from and and what it is now um you know yeah he's one of the big late night talk show hosts now he didn't start that way I mean when they started the show live um you know the fact it was on at at 12:05 and all of the things and and like you said the expectations they had for themselves pretty low I thought one of his big elevation moments was during the whole um you know Conan shift when the shift happened over there I thought I thought that he the night that he came out dressed as Jay Leno and did the entire show as Jay Leno the the the time where he was booked on to maybe you have maybe you have uh uh you know a story behind the scenes on this when he's booked on Jay's 10 o'clock show and then he goes and changes all the answers for the questions uh that Jay had for him in real time and and and they showed it to their credit they showed it which was you know to Jay Leno uh's credit having that on there I thought that was a time where where Kimmel certainly leveled up in the eyes of many people around of course you guys have done for years and years and years to get I would I don't know if I mean I think um for me um I definitely saw a major shift um when uh Jimmy um well this is good later I suppose you know when B when when his son had uh his heart health issues but I mean moment that vulnerability was insane going back to um I mean Jimmy Jimmy no one works harder than Jimmy no one I mean I don't believe any other late night host Works harder than Jimmy Jimmy is the executive producer of his show Jimmy is the head writer of his show Jimmy is the host of his show I will say Dave was very much in charge I think Laur Michaels has been in charge of Bon and Seth obviously Y and I think um I think that uh I don't know the answer for cbear but I know John Stewart obviously has had a role there so so um but but my Jimmy is he's gold he's gold not just professionally but he's gold personally he's an and I don't think any of the other late night guys if you're listening to shout out to Strike Force five oh yeah it's so good it's so good and it's so it's so wonderful and and um yeah that I mean Jimmy's that no one wouldn't say Jimmy Jimmy's just the best I uh I've sent in a question because it seems like on strike Forest 5 it seems like Jimmy is the guy who is is relating to the audience which is amazing I'm sure the inbox is completely full but i' I've actually sent in a Dave related question I you through a little you know the the odds of me getting any of you here on on on the Letterman podcast are basically zero so I'll have to uh I'll have to settle for Steve O'Donnell and dick cat is what I said because I think most of the guys have relationships with with both those guys um but the question I want I want to to ask them the question on Strike Force 5 uh first thing that comes to your mind favorite inperson David Letterman memory and I want that what comes right to the top Jimmy's is obviously going to be fascinating but all five of those guys would have a fascinating answer all five of those guys have have been on the show have done things with Dave also outside of the show as well super super curious about that um it's interesting to watch I can answer my one I what's your oh please tell me your one oh my God please do Jo one and it would be one that um uh it's very simple he he called me on a weekend Dave to thank me for a booking only once there's only one time um and I'll I'll give you another one afterwards which will okay you got to tell us who it is though you got to tell us that oh yeah no I'll tell you who it is it was Bob doll we did a we did a show um um from Washington DC yeah after the election and I hope I get this right [ __ ] I hope I'm right in all those I believe after the election when Bob doll lost and we um we booked him and it rated very highly yeah and and and um Dave called me and thanked me for the booking feels amazing I'll tell you a funny one though I've got to check my sorry but you know La is opening and I'm getting a lot of uh yeah we're we're yeah anytime you need to call it we call it I've already gotten way more time than I thought I would get with you check my emails because I just don't wanna all hundred of them that you have gotten since we've started this I mean my gosh you want to know how many emails I've got no not too bad not too bad uh 266 hold on sorry I'm just likeing look at my emails but yeah because you know the you know the thing I'm waiting on but anyway anyway so um what oh yeah so I'll tell you okay this one is the story that you know Dave could sue me for telling you but why not it was a long time ago so the one booking that I insisted on booking that I got in trouble for booking it's a good one it's a good one it's my one of my favorite stories but it's you know it's a little bit Rob and Dave I'm just going to say it guys listen to your Bookers more but um so uh I watched this this TV movie on HBO Gia and Angelina Jolie start in it and I thought she was incredible y she was not well known yeah and um she got nominated for an a a Golden Globe and um and I booked her and it was not the best interview on either side yeah I will just saying it was not the best interview on either side yep and um afterwards I got in trou I got in trouble for booking her wow I got called asking why I thought I should have booked her and I love that story so much because she's Angelina [ __ ] Jolie and you know when I would book amazing people and they were amazing segments producers take all the credit sure and Shout out for Bookers shout out for Bookers I know what Bookers bring to shows and um but when a booking goes well it was because it was a well produced segment and but when bookings go badly y who booked that I have got so many I wounds I'm wounded I'm wounded but um that's my favorite one just because it was the biggest star um yeah that's the story that's the story I think you've gotten a lot of last laughs uh Joanna over the years I think you do get the last laugh um as we you know and I do need to I out of the out of the out of courtesy for you I'm going to close it down here real soon um the the final six weeks of Late Show how involved were you during the booking of the final last six weeks not involved at all that was all Sheila okay last show which I thought was truly the most amazingly well done show for a last show beautiful I I text Sheila afterwards I mean everything about it the the tone everything about it was so perfect qos to every single person who worked on it which is why I don't want to miss the last Kimmel show because I missed the last Letterman show and I don't want to miss the last Kimmel show because to be there at that moment is just so incredible and you know my time was done with lean when my time was done I'm a pain in the ass they were happy to get rid of me you know but now now I'm being a pain in the ass for Jimmy and uh but for me you know Jimmy will end up I will end up being with Jimmy longer than I double what I will be was with Dave and I'm I'm I've my career in late night is longer than Jimmy's y but I will be have my longest time at in Late Night with Jimmy and I'm very happy to have that but I learned a tremendous amount from working at David lman I'm grateful to him he um he's he's a strange one but but I'll always appreciate him and uh he is uh you know he's he's gold too he's gold he's gold in a whole other way but you know I was very blessed to have the chance to book lean and still book Kimmel and I'm grateful I'm grateful I mean I you know why I ended up with all these men like in late night I have no idea but um and I didn't I just want to do one shout out for someone adaman who really was for me the most the person I um look up to the most and the person that I try to live you know my career or however you want to say like I look up is Jude Brennan Jude Brennan who we didn't talk to a lot about today Jude Brennan is truly the woman that I take when I think of lean 10 years of leaman she was my number one she was my number one she is a wonderful wonderful human being and if I can be half of Jude Brennan at the end of my late night career I will be very happy and I'm going to continue to build my business and book lots of podcasts like yours and um and and do my best oh man if if only um I was saying this to your son you know obviously this is a labor of love and and and what not but I also know that there is potential there's potential business here um and and if we get to the place where there is booking uh any potential that where it can't be me anymore where I can't just do these amazing beautiful experiences of of reaching out to people and building the Rapport and all of that you my dear are my first call um and only call for that matter you should be interviewing celebrities about their experience of it's coming oh that's that's that's that's the goal like I want to have Adam Sandler on here I want to have Seth Rogan on here Jonah Hill talking about how they weren't allowed to talk about their adoration for Dave but now after the fact they can talk about it I wanna oh I see the vision I want to have a second podcast that has to do with just the music um yeah oh the the that the ideas I have for this thing are are are Limitless um and and and I want that to happen very very badly uh but you know we're evolving right we got to get through the 100th episode we got to get uh Mory was there um you know he came on as as the anniversary of of of of Dave leaving um you know Paul Schaefer was our one-year anniversary guest you know we're we're building things and and it's and it's coming I feel it happening um credibility that gets given what you're doing you know what you're doing you're building the trust You're Building TR and you know I this has been a lovely experience it's nice to go down memory lane I really don't think about this a lot all these memories of all and and um and it's been really fun and you're a Class Act oh my God thank you for that um okay I'm gonna finish here real quick and then we'll say our goodbye privately just please stay on for one more moment please um man this is why we do the show uh this is exactly why we do the show I just cannot thank uh Joanna Jordan enough for taking time like I mean you know we told her that we couldn't hear the dings we could hear the dings they were great and there were so many of them right because this is no no no no no no no no it's okay it's good it's good I wanted to show the audience how busy you are and website tell them to go to my website Central Talent booking.com Central Talent booking.com and uh and I mean you know I've talked to them about business as well like I mean for anybody out there who has a project um these people have have everybody in their in their in their rodex please Central Talent booking.com go see them go see what they do uh they are leaders in the industry this episode is uh shows the ingredients of what it took for them to get there and it is of course a gal by the name of Joanna Jordan that is another episode of the Letterman podcast with Mike Chisum coincidentally I am Mike Chisum thank you and good night Overcoat and