The Post Mortem of Kevin Durant with Rusty Shackelford

welcome once again to the letterman podcast my name is mike chisholm i am so excited to be here if you listen to one or two of these in a row you're probably sick of hearing that i am excited to be doing something well that's just tough noogies you're gonna have to uh deal with that in your own brain in your own heart i'm excited about this stuff i have a lot of energy to talk about david letterman and company and all of the things they have produced in the past but today is a different episode it's a segment of the letterman podcast that we are dubbing for now anyway the postmortem and uh it's not to talk about content from the past how amazing is that i got goosebumps running up and down my body right now you know i i listened to our friend mark malkoff on the carson podcast and and uh and and we just had a really cool guest in tom dreesen we talked a lot about frank sinatra and and and a lot of things from the past and and we want to be uh a conduit we want to be a torch in the in the passing of information um the uh the transfer of knowledge whatever you want to call it of what dave and company did but fortuitously we started this podcast while dave is still creating content the latest season of my next guest just dropped last week six new episodes have come out dave is also on the youtube please subscribe to the official letterman uh youtube channel we are not affiliated with them in any way officially other than the fact that we're admirers but there's a lot of cool new [ __ ] coming out and it's awesome to see dave messing around with with with his staff and and and uh hopefully that expands and who knows what that's going to evolve into but it's exciting stuff and so the letterman podcast while we are definitely uh wanting to be archivists of sort or commentators of the archive we also want to acknowledge the new things that are happening and in my next guest season four there have been a lot of very cool conversations that have already been started as these episodes have dropped we are gonna go through each episode with a special guest each time we do this uh i'm very excited about that today's guest uh is a guy by the name of rusty shackleford and uh that's his uh that's his that's his how everyone knows him uh you may understand that that is a king of the hill reference well for good reason one of the many things that rusty does is host a king of the hill podcast and uh he and and and his producing partner and and performing partner mike uh are doing all sorts of great things and and rusty has uh if you can believe it he has more energy than i do that might not be easy for you to believe but it actually is true i also love the fact that he has another david letterman podcast as well uh we're talking about this idea of a letterman podcast network with other folks as well very exciting stuff uh wake the kids tell the neighbors i've been a guest on the show we're going to have both of them on this show shoot the bull in another um episode moving forward of the letterman podcast but today rusty is going to be our guest on the postmortem uh rusty what's up my man what's up buddy how you doing man oh i'm fantastic and i'm really excited to have you here that is not just lip motion show business uh malarkey that is the truth you and i um share the gift of enthusiasm and uh i i love that you're one of the people out there when i just have nervous energy or excited energy i can i can message you and go back and forth and you're a guy that understands it and and uh i understand it completely uh absolutely it's great it's great um i also love the fact that uh you're like 15 years my junior i'm 46 at this at the time of this broadcast how old are you i'm 31 at the time of this broadcast yeah so 15 years i i dig that i was told there'd be no math but that was easy math and uh um i love the fact that i i'm a huge david letterman enthusiast at 46.

and and my the crosshairs of my enthusiasm for dave on a chronological standpoint are interesting because i was really young for the first few years of late night a lot of seasoned fans they go back to the morning show and and early late night where my enthusiasm really hit was when dave made the move over for late show so i've got a specific kind of um viewpoint of dave you're 31 you're 15 years younger than me and you have developed this appreciation um now this isn't this isn't the official podcast where i go into your bio and all that kind of stuff but i just want to talk about you're a 31 year old who has a massive enthusiasm for dave and company um is there anyone around you your age that has that same affection uh you know when we were in school there was a couple of friends that i had that i'm no longer friends with you know it was just like high school buddies that you know nothing ever no friendship developed further than high school there was a couple of us that really liked david letterman and every now and again we'd come back and you know would throw a joke or something we had heard that night and we would try to you know just throw the joke to see who was really watching the show you know like throw like just randomly throw one out there and be like oh that was on dave last night kind of thing and there was a couple of us that were watched it enough to where you know somebody would throw a joke out we would we would understand the reference or remember the point in the show where it was from or whatever but no i wouldn't say that there's too many 30 year olds i guess that are enthusiastic whether it be mildly or you know extremely enthusiastic about david letterman i feel like the kids who stayed up you know late my mom worked nights so i would stay up sometimes to see my mom when she got home from work and uh and my dad worked days so by the time letterman came on it was like this transition phase waiting for my mom to get home and then my dad had just went to bed kind of thing so it was like all right well i'm going to turn the tv on for the short window or whether you know both parents were already home in a bed it was just something that i was able to do late at night because i've always had trouble sleeping and it was just an outlet for that but uh i guess my love really started for for david letterman after all the fun was sucked out of the world in 2001 with uh all the humor was just drained from that from that incident and uh his after show was what really brought me into david letterman's fear was that show afterward and how he was able to uh kind of you know heal late night in the late night world as far as you know television and just kind of the atmosphere that was being felt at that time especially since it was his city too you know what i mean and uh the love for it really started i guess when i was a teenager when all of the jokes became relatable and understandable like when i started to really get get into the full swing of understanding humor and also found weed at that time so i want to say that i want to say coincident factor i want to say that was a factor in some of it and and uh you know and and that's why i uh uh i guess really enjoyed him it was funny it was something to laugh at it was something stupid you know some of it was stupid some of it was super intelligent it was just a wide range is what i always liked about it you could get anything at any given time on any night on that show and that's that's what really uh enamored me at a young age as a teenager you know this is the cool thing uh the the the there's a generation gap there um you know my oldest stepson is your age and uh and i mean you know there's sometimes we are best friends i'm a large child anyway which is good and i'm into all the the dirty things i mean i'm into sports i'm into the in the comic books and the comic movies and the star wars and all that stuff and i am uh i like to i like to say that my inner child uh puts his grubby little hands on the steering wheel as much as as he can uh you and i are very similar in that and and the fact that uh i just appreciate so much because i think a lot of us can put ourselves back to the 911 situation and dave's reaction to it uh his leadership in it whether he would ever he would probably never he was the first like he was literally the first to address it for sure yeah yeah he um you know i watch that show every year i've got that show on my hard drive and i watch it every year um and and it it becomes more fascinating we're gonna do an episode of that and and maybe i have a have a round table about the 911 episode um so we'll we got lots of meat on the bone uh this for this for this podcast uh for this episode for for for our dynamic and our relationship moving forward um very excited about that i was an honored guest on uh wake the kids and phone the neighbors uh appreciate everything you guys are doing i appreciate the fact that you and i another way that you and i are similar is we want to transfer the knowledge we're so excited about what we've seen and in our minds if i'm not trying to overstep uh and say this but i think you'll agree and please disagree with me if if you do um but at the end of the day in our minds this historical record of entertainment and comedy and insight it's there's a transfer of knowledge that needs to happen and and and i know that you come at coming at this with your age and your enthusiasm makes you a perfect co-host for a letterman podcast and and uh and i'm so excited that we're we're linked up and we're going to go back and forth with each other on this yeah yeah so no i do agree with you totally on that there is a transfer of knowledge that needs to happen because uh late night as it were was a type of archive of pop culture and what was hot at you know any specific day you could even take it down to the day you know whether it was hot that day or hot that week and it was the same thing with johnny carson and how well they've managed to put him out there on pluto tv and he has the 24-hour channel that just runs non-stop with his content and how they were able to take that and have that archive and i just think that while dave is still here and while he's still on this earth we could go ahead and give him his flowers now and continue on with uh putting his his his content out there in the way that we saw it with our perception on it you know because not everybody consumes media the same way obviously and that's what i think is great about being in the sphere of letterman fans is everybody gets a different part of it that's funny to them some people didn't really like the daytime stuff but they really loved him when he was on nbc and then some people really don't like the nbc era and really love everything on cbs and it's just chopped up and you get all these different perspectives where it it's not something that i guess i would have generally been exposed to uh had i not sought out the this world you know i went looking for this world it didn't find me kind of thing i sought this world out because as a 31 year old i didn't really have anybody i'm sitting here watching letterman clips at night just hanging out winding down and there's nobody to laugh about it with you know there's nobody like because my dad he was a blue collar guy so by time late night came on he was already boots up asleep kind of thing you know he caught like the simpsons at five king of the hill at 5 30 and then friends at six and he might might have been dozing off the rest of the night excuse me so uh yeah you know i didn't really have anybody to share the love of it with so it's just great to be in this sphere for sure and be able to you know have these conversations that's what we're doing that's what you're doing as we build our communities respectively hopefully one massive large community uh where we can have something for everybody i always uh i got a little bit of history in the pro wrestling business uh i ran a promotion uh a fundraiser promotion where i'm from this part of the world and we've had a whole bunch of uh wrestlers around um raised a bunch of money for local charities with that and so so so uh i'm sure those stories will come out here on the letterman podcast especially when we had jimmy hard up and we talked about andy kaufman and stuff but um the one thing that i want to build here is is in the pro wrestling world they talk about having a three-ring circus you know people might come out some people are coming out for the trapeze artist and some people might come out for the dancing bears although dancing bears i think is becoming a thing of the past some people may come out for the clowns i don't know who those people would be you got to watch out for those people but that's that's what we got to do right we got to create yeah yeah it's this idea of a letterman podcast network uh this vision that that that i and others uh have is is for exactly that to celebrate all of the different corners and i mean it is it's a massive legacy um the fact is we're going to talk about something current today i'm excited that you're one of the people that are going to be on the an episode of the post-mortem you and i are going to talk about kevin durant today uh we're going to talk about the uh so so for folks who haven't watched the kevin durant episode if you don't want to be spoiled oh god this is the only time i'm going to say this in the history of the letterman podcast you might want to hit pause don't hit stop please do not hit stop hit pause go to your netflix uh dial up the whatever uh you know turn on the netflix watch the kevin durant episode then come back here and hit unpause and you will not be spoiled uh if you want to be spoiled for the kevin durant episode please feel free to keep listening uh that's what we're going to talk about today kevin durant played basketball in texas i hear the uh the the way that you speak in the dialect of of of your version of english right now clearly texas you got the houston texans hat on oh absolutely yeah even though a little easter egg folks rescues have an english accent honestly he learned talk like this by moving to texas we will talk about that another day when we talk about his origins uh we'll talk about that but from texas uh current events we're not political at all just like dave registered independent we are we're right down the middle but at the end of the day human issue um at the time of this broadcast uh a pretty horrific event happened in texas just just a day ago um school shooting unfortunately you know it's not the first but it was a pretty they're all horrific um but it just happened and it's fresh how how's the mood where you are in texas right now rusty uh you know uh my wife being a teacher and my son being a student in a school and it's you know the same age group my wife teaches third grade so uh my son's in fifth grade so it's it could be a kid that she taught it could be you know somebody sitting next to my son in class kind of thing so it's a very somber uh somber mood everybody's you know it's it's it's a loss for words kind of event you know every time it happens you don't really have anything to say but that's the problem i feel like with the whole situation is that when these things happen uh we send thoughts and prayers up to heaven along with our kids but we don't do much as far as action goes and uh i feel like uh like you said uh to keep it out of the political sphere of things uh we need to do more as humans to make sure that these issues are addressed at the at the root cause which the root cause is young men uh and mental health that's that's the cause and uh you know guns are the underlying issue as a texas and uh as a texan sorry and somebody who has been around guns the majority of my life i don't think that uh taking away everybody's right to own one solves this problem but i do feel like we need to address mental health in relation to guns and make the access you know different and how we're able to get these things it shouldn't be as easy as buying a house or a car a house or a car is more difficult to purchase than a gun in texas you know and and that's that's not okay i don't think and uh my heart goes out to any parent and every parent that has dealt with the situation but you know i feel like uh it's controversial to say but i feel for the young man as well that decided that that that's how he was going to you know carry out his life and we need to embrace these young men that are going through these difficult things and find out why that's what's on their mind and you know there might have not been any indicators there might have not been any indication whatsoever that he was going to do anything like this but i think that's a problem we should see these things they should be they should be it should be more transparent we should be raising kids to be more transparent emotionally and uh to be able to discuss these things because i think a lot of kids are scared to discuss these things with their parents because of how their parent is now going to perceive them or what whatever their parent may do but we need to have more resources definitely available for any and all everybody not just men or young men but young men young women everybody everybody needs needs mental health uh you know attention everybody we all do well you know you're preaching to the choir on that um absolutely believe it or not to the to the viewers of the letterman podcast i know this thing's still kind of in its infancy um believe it or not i might have a little bit of acumen when it comes to podcasting and any acumen that i have gotten up to this point has been because of the other podcasts that i host over 100 episodes called he cast the official podcast of he changed it he changed it of course is the company my wife is building it's a men's mental wellness platform and and uh it's what got me into um podcasting in the first place uh men's mental wellness i think is is is paramount the trickle-down effect is is insane uh you know you talk about fathers you talk about husbands you talk about um you know even having a sense of purpose and and and all of the mental health things that are happening and uh what happens when that mental health uh circuit board seizes up and starts cracking and popping and we're seeing the results of that um um you and i could go way deep on this and maybe one day we'll have you on he cast and you and i can go back and forth on that very very well said um thank you very much for for opening up and talking about that a little bit i just think it's important that we acknowledge it um you know we can talk about the entertainment and this is the stuff that makes me more grateful it makes me hug my kids and my granddaughter that much tighter and um and and and like you say i mean it hits close to home uh the ptsd from that just the blowback effect witnessing what's going on uh please please give your wife a hug for me and and uh teachers are so important and and you know virtual heart to you guys from us up here uh in the studio as well so love you so much thanks for talking about that let's uh let's move a little bit uh kevin durant now okay i know you're in texas sports are huge uh in for some people i think sports are religion you know it's it's that yeah some sports i think it's i think it's some sports yeah i mean you know there's there's multiple religions right so so you know there's there's some people who hate baseball but they would die for their football team kind of thing you know you're either you're either all the way in or you're all the way out kind of yeah and the enthusiasm goes like people it's funny i i'll get people every once in a while who look at me and they're like oh with all that you know about david except excited as you are about dave you're an obsessive you you're an obsessive person i'm not but what i do do is i take my enthusiasm i got wayne gretzky right behind me there i'm a huge hockey like hockey is religion up here in canada where i'm from western canada absolutely i'm sure it is oh my god oh my god and and like like since when i was two three years old like and my enthusiasm for my my favorite teams and for the sport is pretty much the way that i exercise my enthusiasm for david letterman but for folks who aren't really into into into a sports team or or things like that it can be a little bit jarring um but at the end of the day uh i think that sport and and this is where my love of personal development comes from because it comes from the coaches and and and listening to some of these leaders within sport and the insights that they can bridge to us mere mortals who don't you know get so granular and focus in on being great at something to the point where you get to be elite at it every time dave has somebody who is an elite performer in the athletic endeavor no matter what that is whether it's lewis hamilton uh you know he's talking he's been on peyton manning's shows and things like that but anytime dave talks to somebody who has shown greatness in athletics i'm in because i'm going to get little nuggets of knowledge from that conversation due to the fact that dave is so damn good at pulling these nuggets out of these people and in how his curiosity manifests itself and how he asks them about things and then of course the subject will they just talk about what their regular life is but the little kernels of knowledge that we receive i mean the personal development side of me is like [ __ ] yeah i love this [ __ ] and then the um the entertainment part of me is like oh i'm watching dave and he's entertaining and he's funny and he's doing he played shuffleboard with kevin durant i just went on a bit of speaking of durant i just went on a rant there uh would you would you agree with everything i just said there yeah yeah for sure so so for me i'm not like a huge basketball fan i only watch basketball in the finals i only watch hockey in the finals a lot of sports only catch at the very end because for me you know they build super teams and stuff like that so there's no point in me watching like 20 other teams that suck all year long so right i like the drama the drama of the sport absolutely football on the other hand i'm a houston texas fan so i'll obviously watch you know i'll watch terrible games most season long it's watching terrible games but i'm a los angeles kings fan so i've known a lot of pain in my life yeah yeah so so for me the reason why i like like seeing hit like anybody interview big sports guys uh it doesn't matter who they are but for me it's mainly you know the elite the the big known guys is because you know they're seen as these heralded figures just way above the crowd you know but at the end of the day they're just as rooted to the ground as we are you know uh i like the discussion where he was where they were talking about bushels of crabs and he was talking about back home in maryland maryland and uh you know discussing you know uh family events and things like that it's just like oh well he's just a normal guy too he just can play basketball really good or a conversation around his mother too and how she used to take him to the rec center to play basketball and stuff like that and i'm like well that could have been just any guy i went to school with you know you know it could have been any guy that i've known and he just happened to be really good at basketball though you know so and again on the personal development thing i like to see that too because these guys are now you know at 32 and basketball uh 33 you're you're at the you're at the height of what is going to be your career you don't really have much much left as long as your career career goes so it was a new phase coming yeah absolutely yeah for sure and uh how he compared it into a biblical sense i'm not a religious man but i really like the the the religious analogy where he used uh uh on the seventh day god rested uh after he completed his work and that's how he now feels in his career like he's learned everything he's gonna learn he could still develop and get better but like as far as how he handles himself as a human being on and off the court he's established it is what it is as he said so yeah i really like that because i feel kind of the same way because me and him are around the same age and come from the same generation and you know it's taken us our 30 years of living and experience and that's how that's another thing i liked about what he said how he lives in his experiences was you know we've come to this uh this culmination point where it's like i am who i am and unapologetically i can be me and whether the world likes that and in his sense he's got a thousand you know thousands of millions of eyes on him so he's now comfortable with himself to a point where he doesn't have to be angry he doesn't have to be upset with the world he could just be who he's gonna be unapologetically and live his life you know according to his own plan see folks look at this this is this is exactly what the post mortem is gonna be uh all like a beautiful unique faberge egg depending on who our guest is uh this is what i got from this stuff as well it's not just entertainment on the netflix uh you can get these philosophical messages out of uh out of these shows and and having kevin durant on uh my next guest provided that also provided a lot of entertainment dave and kev played shuffleboard together yeah that was awesome yeah i never even knew the name of a shuffleboard stick being a tank i thought that was crazy i've never even heard of that before well let and this is where i love dave so much dave dave goes in and and and he can get really granular and he's always been good at this he's really granular on something that including especially actually because he's such a good wordsmith just the vocabulary kevin durant david letterman playing shuffleboard talking about you know the [ __ ] that you're talking about here just life and and and and analyzing life a little bit and as they're doing it learning how to play shuffleboard for the first time and dave's just reading the terminology the thing that you slide along the ground what's it called a biscuit well that's kind of funny what's the stick called a tang t-a-n-g like what the astronauts drank up in the space uh up in the space uh shuttle uh you know that's funny oh it's a tang and the two of them kind of look at each other they're like oh it's funny it's a biscuit they look at each other it's kind of funny and it is funny but yeah that's that's that's just talking about funny automatic poetic uh sounds in the english language they find humor in that i i love they can just take humor out of the little teeny tiny things yeah that's what makes dave great too is you know he does have he is the average guy but you know doing what he's done for as long as he's done it he's you know built this insane vocabulary and i find words to be funny to me there's words there's words that are that are gross that make you feel weird and there's words that make you laugh and you know i think that's just a whole part of the emotional response of language and that's you know that's why people like to do what we're doing you know they like to talk we like the emotional response that we get from how people form i i love listening to people speak because you get to see how they form a sentence like well i might have said the same thing but i would have said it that way and it's just unique to see how people build and structure their language you know and that's one thing i appreciate about interviews and interviewees as well and i like it when you you pull a guy like david letterman a 75 year old man from midwest and you get kevin durant from washington dc who's only in his 30s you know and they've lived two completely insanely different existences and they have different uh approaches to how they speak and how they form sentences and just i don't know i really like that juxtaposition too where you have this you know middle-aged white guy and then you have this kid who grew up in apartments complexes and stuff like that and i don't know i just i really like that i think you get real conversations and real real genuineness out of those types of types of interactions whereas you have two people from the same same background same neighborhood the conversation might be entertaining but it's entertaining to them because there's so much nuances and stuff and that you're just not going to get from that com that conversation whereas you take two people from two totally different worlds and have a conversation and it's just i feel it's more real more genuine and uh entertainment for sure a lot a lot more entertaining well and it's funny it's like when the rock gets thrown into the water into the lake and then the ripples happen and you and i are one of those ripples right now so so dave and kev have this conversation that gets edited into this beautiful little uh uh little flower uh that is the episode and then there's two guys like what you're talking about again different points of view different backgrounds different ages then we're talking about it having a conversation of it and and and and that's happening with people all over the place you know on the phone hey jc letterman uh you know and and it's those ripples are happening and maybe ripples will happen after this um you talk about words and and uh how dave is really good at that i can't wait for um our community i've got the facebook we've got the facebook group grow growing and it's good um whatever our community wherever we're gonna gather uh one of the things that i wanna um you know to the chagrin of some and to the delight of others that i want to cultivate i'm also a gigantic nerd and nerds always love to throw out um the what if kind of questions what if superman and uh and thor fought what would happen you know that kind of thing what if hulk and and uh i don't know i don't know who else good fight uh what if that happened uh who could take who in a fight i want to throw out right now uh the idea of hey what's your favorite word you have one okay just one word response is only please what is your favorite word that you learned from david letterman and i want to see you know a thousand people who like dave the way that we do or maybe not the way that we do we might be too far down the line but who like dave sort of as much as we do and and and what word did they get from david letterman that they would put on that list um i think mine would probably be cavalcade i love the word cavalcade and it's in my it's in my uh vernacular uh with a fair fair regular use because of dave i love that word and i got it from him i don't use the word very much but when i first heard it i thought it was funny ecclesiastical i didn't uh yeah yeah i i didn't even at the time i didn't even know what it meant or what he was talking about it's the one i had to grab the dictionary for but i was like man that word sounds hilarious whatever the hell he's talking about there we go uh and no pre-interview here folks look at that it's just the enthusiasm that we share for this man we're able to pull obscure funny sounding words out of our ass that's how much rusty and mike love david letterman um you know and so much good stuff like again let's before we leave the shuffleboard uh this is a quote from the show this is dave reading a pamphlet about shuffleboard pro tip always use the tip of your tang to slide biscuits there you go that's a funny sentence right here folks that's a funny sentence and and i just make sure you clean the tip of your tank before you before you're hitting biscuits oh god i haven't seen the tip of my tang in four years i gotta take a walk um um good stuff and and uh you know okay so so the show starts i don't want to necessarily go through the shows you know i just want to um you know chronologically but let's start at the front of the show um i don't know about you rusty uh i love a good cold open i'm i'm a fan whatever that whatever the show is whether it's snl whether it's um even dramatic shows that have a little bit of business before the opening credits hit i've always a fan of a good cold open and and and letterman over the years in my opinion has been a leader uh in what can make a good cold open um you know done probably hundreds of them i would think i don't have a don giller type uh uh encyclopedia uh in front of me but i'd love to know the answer how many cold opens they did before any of their incarnations of their shows this show had a phenomenal cold open with dave going to uh it was like a media day or something for the for the brooklyn nets and and being oh yeah yeah a reporter yeah that was funny that was actually the first bit of new content whenever he did that interview that was one of the first bits of new concept that i'd seen in a while from him sure and i thought that was awesome that was great that was a great bit i mean you could tell that he had no care whatsoever about real basketball questions he was just being dave and now i really loved it because it was just like dave in the wild is how it felt about like how bill murray pops up everywhere and it just felt like something like i was like are we gonna get more of this is he gonna pop up at you know like somebody's bakery or something and like put on an outfit and go back there and start baking with somebody i mean like like i really i don't remember it was almost reminiscent of some of the bits and stuff where they go to you know the uh the the on-site bits from the show where they would go you know uh to different places and stuff like that that's what it felt like i don't know it was really good i really liked that open for sure that was that was perfect that they took that you know i think it was all i think that was probably a setup for the show like he went to do that just in anticipation of doing the show that was like pre-production work yeah well that was actually a discussion point i was going to get into i before we do that i got to say this i'm so [ __ ] grateful that as a 31 year old you said all the words you just said like like this is where i've got hope that the transfer of knowledge is happening and that the the extreme body of work that dave and company did is going to live on um because you just organically observed that i love the fact it does feel like an old school bit dave talked about when he moved over to late show they talked about the challenge of his extreme popularity and again you weren't around at this point tom driessen and i talked about this the other night uh and and mark malkov and i talked about it as well um and a few others but but who people who were around during the time where letterman went from nbc to cbs and just how in that summer how popular he was and at the same time while that's happening he's working harder than he's ever worked i think they shot i believe the answer i believe it's 19 remotes that they shot in the wild like you said uh in preparation for late show and they talked about the challenge of how difficult it was becoming because of dave's extreme fame and they've had to find ways so by you know using rupert for example where dave was just in the earpiece or other ways uh shout out to rupert g and irene hoffman by the way um but but the idea that if there were ways that they could put dave into the wild so he could still do that even with his extreme fame that was a challenge a puzzle they were always trying to solve having him on press day messing around and and i you talked about this i want to get to how you finished your last uh point do you think i've got it here is a question do you think they filmed that before or after the interview with kevin you think they did it beforehand yeah absolutely i think that was done beforehand i think that was uh i i don't i'm not going to speculate and say it was but i feel like that was like some pre-production work you know he was like well i want kevin durant to interview so let me just do this just you know go go up here and do this bit or whatever and go go kind of you know bug him a little bit get in his ear and i like ty said well they just let anybody in here you know kevin durant talking about dave and i feel like that was a warm up for it yeah that that was either some pre-production some pre-planning you know uh just to get kevin durant on the show maybe or maybe they already knew kevin durant was going to be on the show and they just wanted to as a part of their friendship you know what i mean that was a part of the deal of them becoming friends uh i like to annoy my friends at their events you know if i had you know whenever my friends not many events anymore that anybody's doing it now that we're all in our 30s but when we're you know in our young 20s and everybody was graduating college and finishing different projects and stuff you know i like to pop up to everybody's events and cause a ruckus you know well yeah he he did that and and and kevin durant i believe that um and again i'm not a huge basketball fan either i'm more of a fan of the sneakers i i've got a pretty uh i've got i've got a decent air jordan collection and um again when i get enthusiastic about something i i i always go to that next level um but i do follow basketball to the point where i know that kevin durant has a certain kind of personality that comes out and it's that deadpan uh but not unclever deadpan uh yeah just really relaxed yet relax is a good way of putting it yeah he's not deadpan like an [ __ ] like some people are uh he's not that guy but he's still deadpan but i just love dave's last line you know you know durant says okay you're done they make fun of the knicks which i've got on here too it's so fun to listen to them make fun of the knicks um but he makes his knicks joke and then on the way out letterman says something and again i think he pulls out a word that is funny nonetheless never mind the name of an nba team hey but whenever you go play the pelicans do you just giggle a little and it broke kevin it broke him out of that relaxed yeah he laughed he giggled he did he had to laugh with him on that one with the word pelican there's a sports team at the highest level named the pelicans and that that is funny like um and that's how boom and then boom piano plays paul shaffer uh his little ditty that he did uh that's a great cold open i love that um i don't know if they if they had done the interview or the shuffleboard game before or not uh however um clearly there was a rapport that was already established between the two um that's another question i have it's so funny um i hear dave talk about this with kevin on camera he talked about it during the joey louis dreyfus interview uh i think it was hers where maybe it was some maybe it was one of the other ones i don't know they're all they're all kind of blurred together a little bit but he actually talked about the fact that he said oh kevin durant i i really he said he falls in love with the subject across from him and then he says things like oh kevin i i would really like to be your friend afterwards and i think that was really will smith i think wasn't it will smith that's who it was yeah yeah i think that's and and and he says you know and i think he means it i think that at the end of the day um i know i certainly feel that way when you have a bit of a a communal experience with somebody in a long form where you're both being vulnerable um it's hard to not have that feeling of saying i want to be your friend and that's what he said to kevin and and so i felt like that started uh during the media day i think that that process has already been underway oh yeah absolutely yeah i think that i think i imagine by that point they probably had a few conversations on the phone if not already had a meeting or something you know face-to-face dinner or something like that i would imagine yeah yeah that's yeah i think you're i think you're probably right hey uh i hate to interrupt our flow but i really have to piss and if i don't i'm gonna piss myself i've been drinking coffee all morning no no no this is great this is an exercise because we haven't had to uh we haven't had to do anything editing wise to any of the shows so far so we're going to continue that fashion i'm going to say you go and we're going to give myself an exercise in acumen uh a podcast acumen i don't even know if that's the right word but we're going to see if i can talk my way through you going and taking a piss uh and if and if and if i can gold star as a podcast host uh so you go and i'm just going to continue on here and we'll take it from there uh because we do this ladies and gentlemen uh we're pros uh you know and and and rusty's pro bladder is working very very well uh by the way uh a bushel of crabs uh a bushel it consists of 96 crabs so if ever you're wanting to buy a bushel of crabs understand you're going to have 96 of those suckers um running around if they haven't perished first 96 crabs kevin durant and david letterman talked about that uh when he was in you know they talked about family a lot and and kd has a a a a large family i think he made a joke that they all populated all over the place and they spread themselves around all over the place but they were talking about maryland they were talking about uh crab roasts and and things um and uh and and he said that uh he gave us the piece of information that 96 crabs in a bushel and that's uh they're one of the many things you will learn on my next guest uh needs no introduction with david letterman episode uh with kevin durant you will learn that a bushel of crabs 96.

so 96 folks there you go we did it but but he can only eat 12. he can only eat 12.

i imagine if he could eat if he could eat 96 i'd be worried yeah no that would be uh that would be a different talent i love how the show was edited you know it's funny um one of uh dave's producers is also a guy who works very closely with jerry seinfeld and and um and and i remember an episode that dave showed up on oh no maybe it was dave interviewing jerry seinfeld about comedians and cars getting coffee he was on a stage somewhere maybe it was the paley center i don't remember but um and he he took uh jerry had brought a clip of raw footage of i believe it was sarah silverman on the comedians of cars getting coffee episode and then they showed the edited footage which had all the music in and it was going back and forth so kind of like a before and after um i don't know if you ever saw that or not but it it's it's irrelevant for the question the editing that dave did or that dave's uh you know goons did on this show reminded me a little bit in a couple places of comedians and cars getting coffee had some snappy music they were going back and forth a little clip here a little word there a little bit of snappy music over here now and i just love how the episode was was edited uh when considering the constraints of not being able to have a live audience for this one uh i thought they did a really good job mixing it up a little bit so it wasn't just two guys in the chairs looking at each other kind of like a tom schneider type thing it's dave's kind of take on that yeah uh i watched all of comedians uh in cars with coffee because i like comedy and i like cars so it kind of all worked out really good in that show so yeah i watched it yeah i kind of i kind of see what you're saying about some of the uh similar editing techniques or whatever they were used by the editors uh where like you said it's uh the quick you know jazzy kind of elevator i guess esque type music and uh yeah no yeah you can see that for sure i definitely agree with you on that it's it's definitely there well and then going back to them playing basketball and the quick edits of them playing basketball uh we we're going to have a picture uh come out here i'm going to put it in the tomb recent episode tom dreesen sent me a lot of personal photos um of of dave back in the day and even up to a few weeks ago which i'm very grateful for he also gave me information that we can use them uh love that one of the pictures was uh back in the day at the comedy store um there was a there was a basketball team that dave was on and and and a very effective member of that team uh to boot uh by the way a little bit of trivia do you know what the comedy store basketball team was called no i do not actually though perfect name perfect name and i i was delighted by it the bombers okay yeah that's perfect i like that right that's very good yeah it's very good so so we're watching dave and i mean i it's adorable scenes of him shooting and making baskets and one of the questions is okay well how many how many takes did it take for dave to make those baskets and things it was edited very very well but how delightful was it him trying to give kevin durant an alley-oop oh that was fun that was great i i appreciated that for sure and i wonder if uh i wonder if that was some producer that came up with that or if that was kevin and i like to think that the producer didn't have any say in what you know or any kind of suggestions i like to think it was just genuine and organic uh but i really i really appreciate it for sure it was hilarious watching him attempt to put the ball right work you know because you have to have it in a specific place to be able to you know just just in a certain area especially for professional i'm sure he could have grabbed most any ball he threw at him and did whatever with it but just to be able to get in that sweet spot to do a good alley-oop it was oh that was awesome that was funny very comedic absolutely uh and over the years i mean that's when it comes to athletics again you know dave's style you know immediately out of the gate no matter what the context is if it's anything but serious the first thing dave does is the self-deprecation and and he you know tries to lower the expectations i think about over the years any time he had a football in his hand you know oh but but then he'd throw and he'd have a cannon like like dave is athletic he runs i believe he was a c student yeah so i imagine that he had some kind of athleticism well you got to think of the area he grew up into there was way more uh athleticism was a uh it was a you know you're not a you're not a boy or you're not a man if you can't throw a football or you can't catch it catch it so he grew up in that that age of uh a certain level of masculinity had to be present for you to be considered uh you know a man or whatever so i think that might have had something to do with the reason why he was athletic had he grew up in a different day and age would he have been as athletic maybe maybe not maybe he would have been you know focused more on comedy at a younger age than uh than waiting until he was in his you know 20s or almost 30s before he really took stride with it yeah well indiana hoosiers right and yeah and basketball basketball is huge out there you know he's left for auto racing but also a guy anybody who can run and i think it's i think it's 10 miles a day if i'm if i'm right at least at one point he was running 10 miles a day i don't know if he still does that oh wow i didn't know that yeah that's crazy i didn't know that oh over the years um whenever there was like paparazzi photos of of dave and i i feel bad for him because uh well i mean i don't really feel bad for dave dave dave you know is doing well too but anytime the paparazzi would try and get pictures of actually i think the first picture of his beard was actually a paparazzi photo of him running there would there be shots of him running because he would run um you know again 10 miles or whatever it was and so there's the opportunity to get the elusive david letterman and get a photo of him um but i mean i don't know about you but when i'm running uh i don't look my best it's certainly not the most flattering of images uh to say the least of me running but yeah i mean dave's an athlete and and but he downplays it he downplays and that's the genius of it so when he actually does something athletic and it looks amazing i think about again some peyton manning stuff segments on the show throwing footballs anytime it was a christmas tree or to a cab um he's got game and i love that yeah i like that too i like it it shows that he's not just uh you know a talk show host that he actually has another life you know yeah um there's a moment again i have a love of personal development there's a moment where dave and kd share that i think is worth talking about um he asked kevin if kevin gets nervous and and kevin went back like i love the times where they were reciprocal to each other and and uh he asked me if he gets nervous before games or before a big game or before maybe it was before the olympics with with kobe yeah yeah uh so dave had told his basketball story about how bob brown put him in and and he was scared he said do you ever get scared before like a big moment in your life and i like how he said i don't really get scared i get you know nervous or anxious you know and then dave was like well i get excited i kind of feel like that and he was like yeah and that's what they they said yeah and and i kind of feel the same way uh at big moments of my life like i've never really been one to be afraid to do things or jump out on a limb or anything like that it was never fear that ever put me out it was always the anxiety and the anxiousness behind or like well now i'm on the stage and now i'm at the forefront of it like i'm the guy now i have to be the one to jump off this this this you know this point to to make things work and make things shake and it's never you know it's never the fear of it it's always the anxiousness it's like like a pit in the middle of your chest and you you're not like i said you're not it's not like a point of fear but you feel it in your gut you feel it in your chest it can make it change your breathing and i've had i've had quite a few moments like that in my life for sure yeah but it's never fear you know it's always it's always that anxiousness and it's just hard it's one of those hard things to shake for sure yeah and the fact that the two of them could relate to each other um in that because they both have been put into extremely stressful situations with literally millions of people watching them and uh the the fact that they got into um you know fear and anxiety versus excitement you know i've had in my in my other podcast um i've had like coaches and counselors and psychologists and things like that and one of the things that i've learned in this melting pot of personal development that's that's been thrust upon me um or one of the ideas that i've been told and it makes sense to me i've subscribed to it and i've actually tried it and it works apparently biologically uh when you are afraid of something the things that go on inside your head and inside your heart uh the biological impulses that uh that are firing electrically the hormones and pheromones and that are released and all of the things the chemical the chemical biology of what happens when you are afraid is very similar or or identical in some cases to the biological in things that happen when you're excited they're actually the same thing and if and if you become aware that you're afraid of something you can actually tell yourself um oh i'm excited about this and you could actually change the trajectory of of of your thoughts and where you might be going by flipping over and now you're excited as opposed to being afraid i've done it i know it works and i think the two of them were kind of touching on this and then the fact that dave said um and by the way there's always another show you know say we missed up we tanked one whatever there's always another show and i think that that's a beautiful example of living life as well you know what you may have uh you may have duffed that one or or hit it right in the dirt bunt it out whatever but there's always another game and and and i i just love the idea of that and i think that the two of them um really gave a gift in in in that discussion yeah i agree uh you know that that was one of my favorite parts of it uh outside of uh the conversation about weed and video games that was my that was my favorite conversation that they had because it again it brought them to a human level and that as human beings we all experience it doesn't matter if you're worth 500 million dollars or if you've got five bucks in your pocket we all feel these same human feelings and and it's great to see these people that we see as un you know unfeeling unemotional beings because that's that's how a lot of these celebrities and people are viewed viewed as you know they're they're on a pedestal if you will and they're not seen as on the same level it's like well they were able to achieve you know all this great fame and wealth and all this well so they have to be different than me that they can't be me they can't be the same as me because of everything that they've achieved in their life and i think uh and i think a lot of people get into that mentality instead of figuring out whatever they figured out to get where they are they spend a lot of their lives dwelling on well they must have some kind of special trait that is dna driven because i don't have whatever it is in me to be that way and uh at the end of the day it boils down to they are the same as we are flesh flesh and bone riddled with anxiety you know so yeah i want to talk about the last two things because i mean this as you know when the camera turns on time gets slippery um and you and i could go forever on a variety of subjects you and i could go forever um i appreciate that i appreciate your insights i want to talk about weed and video games those are those are two of the topics i want to make sure we get to you just alluded to them uh but to finish your point it brought me back to um in in in and i'm sure we're going to do post-mortems to go back because uh you know content machines like a podcast or hungry beasts that are never fully satisfied no matter how much you feed them i think we're going to post more them and go back the the four seasons uh i certainly am enjoying um this discussion here this is our first post mortem uh and i'm grateful that it's you as as as the uh as my counterpart i'm grateful you asked me to be here oh and you're it's not going to be the the last one son i promise you that um i think back to the the the the very first my next guest by what you were just talking about uh president obama uh former president obama was uh was was was the guest and at the very end dave was kind of wrapping up and then and then president obama said well hold on a second like let's talk for one second about um to see if we can take you and i have been very lucky and and there's a there's a certain degree of luck to getting to a position like that there's always a certain degree of luck you can manifest you can set intentions you can work hard and all of that but but there's always a little bit of you know i think obama used the president obama used uh the term uh magic dust i think is what he said he said hey can we talk about this and maybe we can take some of that magic dust or that and sprinkle it for folks to hear and um i really do think that that is something that uh that that is just whether it's intentional or not i think that that is something dave wants to do oh yeah absolutely i think that's something that he wants to do too uh absolutely you know and i appreciate that so much about uh the fact that he's he's able to take his success and and and try and make the world a better place while making fun of himself while he does it i appreciate that about him um yeah i appreciate that about him too and yeah i see that i see that point as well you know and that's what i like about all these human conversations is he's he's breaking down that fourth wall if you will for all these people like people see cardi b as this uh unintelligent musician and artist when in fact she's deeper than that and she spent a lot of her life doing you know political outreach things things that that reach out to her and that was when she was dancing as a stripper she was doing those kind of things so it it tells more about humanity and us and how we view them it's it says more about us than it says about the actual people that we see this way you know it says it says more about the human condition how we view wealth and success and we think that all these people just because they are successful and wealthy they don't have an emotional response to life or the world and it's you know totally opposite of what's true oh i i couldn't have said it better myself to the fact that uh i'm gonna move on to uh to whedon video games thank you very much for saying that's exactly i think that's exactly right um uh talk about marijuana i'll i'll get really uh i'm from i'm from the land of british columbia canada um there's a term called bc bud it is gonna say that yeah yeah kind of legendary um a friend of mine his name is adam schorgy uh did a documentary called the union um and then and then the sequel the culture high of joe rogan guy joe rogan was on it um and and uh the the original film the union was based on uh the black market weed business in british columbia where i'm from and the effects of that black market the effects and actually weed and the effects on the biology and it was a weed documentary um that was way ahead of its time it was one of the very first ones it was actually screened in our parliament buildings in ottawa our country's capital and and at the end of the day uh there are people who have submitted the idea that adam who grew up in the same city i'm from and and and as a friend of of of of of mine uh and and our show our men's mental wellness podcast um actually was a step in getting marijuana legalized in canada or non-criminalized in canada um it was a step of that process now when it came to weed though i was brought up in the just say no generation um where we was uh like like dave said in the show here oh you're going to hell now like like it was the same when i was growing up too like the the i'm from texas so that mentality still exists in in lots of places where you know in texas for sure and it still exists here in bc by the way i don't want to i don't want to uh take my province and my country and and come across saying that we were a bunch of pot smoke and hippies up here no there's there's definitely uh uh a polarization um but to uh to to a lesser extent now than there was maybe 15 years ago uh because the level of knowledge is coming out uh the level of of um uh misinformation and the truth uh is happening uh is coming out because of the misinformation that was spread about marijuana and i i i think that dave is doing a really good job he has talked about how substances stopped him from achieving uh what he needed to wanted to achieve and and good for him for sobering up at the age that he did right around the time that late night started i believe but at the same time uh has this fascination with weed and when he talks to somebody who is a weed enthusiast or or someone who is educated on on on the subject um he does and he certainly did that with kevin durant in this in this episode and to the point where they even talked about destigmatizing uh we now i discovered weed when i was 38 years old i'm 46 now even though i'm from bc i know that could probably get me kicked out of the province but i'm admitting it now i was 38 when i when i started um and it's better late than never better light than ever yeah that's what uh yeah that's right that's what most of my uh my friends who have discovered it years before the introspection that comes with weed is incredible um i would i'm not an everyday user not even an every week user necessarily but there are some times where i need to go into that learning tree um i know that that that you've already kind of tipped your hand as to how you feel about it how cool was it to see david letterman and kevin durant having that conversation i think it's great i think those conversations need to be you know need to be had more often especially with in the scope of athletes because some people have had their entire careers ruined by the fact that they just wanted to enjoy marijuana and one of them that i could specifically think of was a guy from baylor by the name of josh gordon and josh gordon he was a star wide receiver all-star wide receiver and he probably would have been one of the top 10 of all time had his career not been derailed by the fact that he liked to smoke weed and couldn't stop whether it was a point of addiction or a bad thing for him i don't know but i know as somebody who is an advocate for something you it doesn't matter what the rules and policies of everything are if you're an advocate for for for ethical you know the the changing of laws that are unethical then you have to be you have to push it that you have to push it to that limit to where you do go to jail for what you stand up for or whatever it may be and i'm not saying it to that extreme level but uh yeah you know i've seen it ruin good athletes careers just because they want to wind down after having their bodies torn up on a football field and ease their minds and as somebody who uses uh i mean i use it a little bit more extensively than once a week and without it my mind wouldn't be quiet it would just be constant rattle and as somebody who you know is obsessive over things like you could relate to your mind can't quiet sometimes and it's constantly at a hundred miles an hour and i you know and it's funny that uh we're having this conversation because i was on instagram and they took the clip of dave and him talking about weed and posted it on the david letterman actual you know official instagram and i was just scrolling through the comments section because i just wanted to see you know because the generation of people that watch dave you know are from that just just say no generation like my dad loves ronald reagan you know what i mean he's from that generation so uh seeing them have that conversation and go back and seeing all of the crazy comments from middle-aged white women was just insane i thought it was funny as all get out i'm like have you ever smoked it because if you had you couldn't be stressed out enough to write a comment saying oh dave's going to pot kevin durant's ruining our children and you know it's it's they're not responsible for your kids like i've never understood why people get mad at athletes for smoking pot or musicians for doing drugs or anything like that at the end of the day they didn't ask to be your child's favorite band or favorite basketball player they didn't say hey here's a sign up sheet sign up for me to be your role model and i don't like when people force that role of role model onto athletes so i like i like that he could have that conversation and and bring it to light and not only that it's just we're in a world now where the financial benefit from it for everybody as far as tax benefits goes is it's undeniable you can't yeah colorado right now absolutely yeah they're rolling in and the same with other states that have legalized it they're rolling in the tax tax revenue and they did controversial controversial take here but if texas legalized weed tomorrow the next day it would be the largest weed market as soon as the dispensaries and everything was fleshed out it would be the largest wheat market in the world well i don't know much about texas but i do know that everything is bigger in texas and that makes sense to me even even your weed market and i can't wait for that to happen i believe it's inevitable for for it's only a matter of time yeah it's it's coming and um you know it's funny just to just to put a little a little exclamation point on what you just said too well said we'll get to video games and we'll get the hell out of here um but uh again a little bit of experience in the pro wrestling world have had folks um you know conversations with folks who worked for world wrestling entertainment or or still worked for them at that point with the legends contract that kind of a thing and they you you talk about the the the um the psychological or the emotional impact then there's the physical one and there are there are guys uh and gals who work for that company who have been suspended for weed use but at the same time prescription opioids were no problem at all oh you tested positive for an opioid oh no no i got this script from my doctor oh okay you're fine versus uh tested for marijuana there's one gentleman who won't go in the wwe hall of fame until their wellness policy includes and it's happening right now i believe it's happening with world wrestling entertainment it's changing with all sports they have to they they can no longer have that be a thing because it's so widespread and it was probably been that way for years it's been so widespread but everybody's hidden it like you hear these stories of all these because i've watched a lot of podcasts sports related and you hear all these stories of these pros that used to smoke and then go onto the field and have all-star games because they were able to control the noise okay i mean you know you got the you got the 12th man and then you've got all the noise on the field between the players and then you got all the noise in your mind for everything that's going on you know we talk about mental health everything's going on at home and you know these guys are young a lot of money thrown in their lap you know a lot of them don't know how to handle all that and to be able to imbibe in a medicine that has been you know that in a medicinal benefit from it is just it's absurd to think that a plant that you could grow from seed yeah causes such a ruckus yeah and and and so uh you know i it's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds and as as dave and company put out new content i believe that they're going to talk about it as it comes up and not shy away from it i appreciate that kevin durant talked about video games video games have a place in your heart as we get out of here uh i'm going to talk a little bit about i'm going to ask you about your your other projects that you are and there are many of them um quite a few one of the projects you're involved in is video game project and and uh podcast uh kd is talking about life after basketball and it includes video games uh massive massive industry uh has developed into ways that people can build careers into it that kind of a thing he's in call of duty tournaments and stuff how stoked are you when he started talking about the video game life that he has i was pretty stoked about it but he's but he's right he again you know again in relation to the weed he's talking about two things that are huge they're on the edge of or not even on the edge of anymore they are huge huge huge markets and uh video games for sure it's insane the the the the streaming part of it twitch and uh all of that there's guys on there that are in their early 30s and there there's actually a guy who's in his late 20s who makes two million to three million dollars a month just live streaming video games and live streaming uh you know his content and he's right uh the future of you know sports esports as it is there there's money there's going to be money to be made and if you have the money and the capital to uh enter that market that's a market that you have to enter if that's something you're passionate about and he spoke about uh the question was what are what are like what is video games for you and how important are they in your life and he's like i gotta have them i like them every day i gotta play them every you know it's a it's another outlet you know for uh people whose mind's not quiet it's a place to put all that focus and all that noise into one focus and it gives you another another way to relax and calm your mind and uh again i come from a generation where uh video games you're it was a stereotype that played video games it wasn't everybody it wasn't you know universal it wasn't a universal concept as it is now but uh when i was a kid a certain type of kid played video game in your mind when you thought of a gaming kid you thought of a kid that was sweaty covered in acne and pissed in two liters you know and that's that's that's what that's what and that that's what the the perception was and i like that he's able to say look at me i'm a six foot four six foot tall basketball player that could literally get any woman that i want and do anything that i want to do and go anywhere that i want to go but i like video games absolutely and as a and as a kid who was put often in that stereotype of oh you like video games oh you know you're a nerd you know as a kid who grew up like that the podcast is titled video games are for losers by the way and that's that and that's and that's to show that tongue in cheek it's a little tongue-in-cheek thing to say that you know video games are for losers but it's universal we're all losers you know everybody loves video games nowadays you know and listening to my kids speak about video games and then going to school events and listening to him and his buddies talk to talk about video games i'm like that that didn't happen when we were kids you know when i was a kid there was there was the athletic kids and you know just seemed like there was more stereotypes in school and it just it was crazy seeing my kid interact with his classroom the other day at field day and i'm like there's no way i got along with that many kids yeah like everybody just got along so well there was no still just seemed like in the world that we're in now a lot of the stereotypes are being broken by the fact that these industries are so hugely popular now billion dollar industries when before it was like oh well oh you play nintendo oh you know you have to be you got to be a nerd or your parents have to be rich because you have video games you know that kind of thing i uh i hate that we have to end this but we have to end it um you know just i think napoleon dynamite was was uh was a uh just as you say that i think about napoleon dynamite and how um to me that movie you talk about a middle america type thing and every stereotype you could think of was kind of represented there and at the end um you know that guy dancing on stage became the hero i think that's happening right now all over the place in twitch and the folks that are heroes on twitch uh are are uh are showing us and leading the way is through that um i can't wait to you know when we get a little bit of money for this thing like we you and i both we're labors of love in what we do in all of the broadcasting that we do uh i can't wait till i have a little bit of money i can hire somebody who knows all of this stuff and can show how we can do this on twitch and then release it to the conventional channels later and we can just uh grow everything that we're growing right now um in in a minute or less because we do got to get out of here uh talk about the podcasts that you're involved with that you would love the the public to know about and uh this certainly isn't going to be the last time that you're on here you're a friend of the show we're we're starting this uh letterman podcast network hopefully other folks shout out to the late night playset and and others uh we'll all want to band together and we can do our own brands and people can find whichever ring of the circus that they like but we can promote each other talk about absolutely to bring us home with some of the podcasts you're doing rusty uh yeah make it quick short and sweet there's three that i'm actually involved in two i do with mike hamilton uh from rogue media network here in waco uh the three the two that i do with him are blah b w bwaaa king of the hill rewatch podcast where we take king of the hill episode by episode we've just hit season two so uh be on the lookout for that and uh we also do wake the kids and phone the neighbors at david letterman tribute podcast and in that podcast we take a different approach uh we are doing interviews as well so anybody that wants to interview feel free to hit me up or uh hit up mike chisholm and let him let me know and uh we'll get something set up but uh my my approach is a little different it's a historical approach since i don't really have a lot of uh core memories from you know past 2005 for david letterman uh it's real hard for me to to do the same podcast that you guys would be doing which is not what we want to do we want to have different podcasts and yeah be able to bounce off each other and stuff but the way i take it is i like to dissect his guests i like to talk about different guest appearances they had i like to talk about uh just the historical stuff i talked a lot about his college his college days i talked a little bit about his relationship with meryl marco and how influential she was in his career and with without her we probably wouldn't have david letterman kind of stuff and talk about a lot of the things that prop dave up as well as talk about dave uh because without the machine behind dave we wouldn't we wouldn't have these conversations uh because because it takes it takes a village and it takes uh a lot of people to believe in your concept and your ideas for your ideas to come to fruition in a 100 million dollar way so the other podcast and the other podcast that we're doing is video games are for losers that one is a separate project from rural media network that is something i'm developing personally is with a high school buddy of mine who is a content creator he goes by the name cliff goat and uh we decided uh that we wanted to do a talk show kind of thing where we just talk to each other about uh uh hot topics of the day whether it be uh you know video game technology related uh even a little political you know the politics related to video games where they're blaming gun violence on video games and things like that we had those conversations so those are the three projects i work with directly and uh i also help uh do social media for a few other ones there's two comic book podcasts that i'm helping out right now one is called bros foes and heroes and the other one is the long box podcast nice and bros foes and heroes takes a pretty unique take on how they approach comic books they take weird comic book figures uh for instance uh they go to the public domain and pull crazy uh different heroes and things like that so uh yeah that that that's what i'm doing right now a lot of cleverness around you a lot of entertainment around you um rusty this is just the beginning uh it's almost even a little teaser having you on the post-mortem before the other one thank you for taking time out of your day to be part of this oh no problem i've enjoyed it oh love it man uh let's build things together and uh i just uh i appreciate everything that you and mike are doing um and uh and all of your projects i can't wait to talk more uh that is it the debut episode of the post mortem on the david letterman podcast the kevin durant episode uh so grateful for everything that has been another episode of the letterman podcast my name is mike chism thank you and good night overcoat and underpants