Jody Ebert -The F**K YOU! Guy-

yeah I mean obviously you know we would throw out a disclaimer probably in this one here I mean we've never had to throw a disclaimer on the Letterman podcast before but I think that uh you know a friendly happily disclaimer I mean we're talking about a guy who came on stage and screamed [ __ ] you at the top of his lungs um I think we'll probably say in this episode that there will be a disclaimer of some sort and uh and go from there if I had the technical wherewithal which I wish I did but I clearly do not uh where we could we could uh reference it every single time and then have the belief that they did on the show that would probably be more clever as our viewing audience and uh listening audience knows I am not nearly that clever uh but um I have no need for cleverness Michael still Nuance I mean the bit that I loved so much is that okay it seems like kind of low-hanging fruit you've got somebody on network TV that comes on and swears um but it was more nuanced than that and it was more clever than that and that's what I think Letterman just had such a a gift for doing is taking ordinary things and kind of adding a layer of depth to it we're going to get to that um I just want to make sure that we are we're okay uh okay Jody Ebert I thank you for coming on the Letterman podcast by the way this is crazy awesome to be talking to you right now uh I'm extremely excited to dive into uh this very very cool character that appeared on The Late Show I believe uh 2006 to 2012 is that do I have it right yes I I was on the last show of 2012 I think talking about how the uh Mayan calendar said the world was gonna end [ __ ] you um we're gonna get to all of the appearances but uh the the uh Walter and Company just put out um a very cool little uh compilation of many of I think it's maybe two-thirds I I have in my notes Here 18 total appearances I believe they showed 12 of them on the um uh on the official Channel there is that is that right is that accurate uh you know way more than I do about it Mike I I um yeah it's one of those things where you try not to be too impressed with yourself by knowing how many times you did it or uh you know watching them all the time or uh you know that sort of thing I I had done enough stuff before Letterman came around that that I knew that would only lead down a a bad path of thinking too much of myself uh you're preaching to the choir sir I a hundred percent no there is falling only Folly and being impressed with yourself with anything I certainly certainly can relate to that uh there's no impressiveness uh about what we're doing here either I get it I totally understand but at the same time it's funny when that's the case this is one of my favorite uh entire favorite bits on the late show ever because to me it was a throwback to late night we're going to get into uh this kind of stuff here in a minute but I just want to want to take a beat to um to say you know we've got we've got you who is a performer here uh a writer uh you've done commercials and things like that as as well I mean you've done all sorts of different projects um I need to know the Genesis of how this this this happened where when you know if o six was your first uh appearance and I've got a list of them here in o6 there were quite a few of them and then um they just were kind of put in as salt and pepper uh along the way for the next six years or so um I think what they like to do was get to the point where people forgot yeah that it was a bit yes so it was new to people every time and I and I actually loved Tibet you know yeah I thought that was great and there was probably only one time where I was in the audience where I was doing it and someone said you know loud oh my God that's the [ __ ] you guy and and thank God they were on Dave at that point because um I looked at him like they were insane I was like what are you doing this this isn't a show about me it's a show about him first of all oh okay I love that you said that um because at the end of the day I think that that is the secret that most most of the people who came on and did these bit Parts uh these little salt and pepper like I say these nuanced little bits that that that that's the thing um you know you suddenly had the spotlight on you but it always came back to his response afterwards either after you walked off stage or after whatever it's a show about him and it's a show that highlights him not the person who and I think about like art Kelly who played uh you know Mike Singletary you know he's also uh you know the receptionist on Dave's Floor people who played these uh very bombastic roles it always came back to either the question or the reaction or whatever of you know the greatest ad Liber uh off the cuff ad Liber some would say in history the history of broadcasting and and they didn't make it about themselves and you just right there at the very beginning of this conversation and encapsulated this thing um was that always the thought or did you evolve into that along the way what what I always thought about it was that I was being the straight man for right for Dave I was giving him a very long setup to to tell the joke at the end right yeah you know I think the first one was you know I I won 63 000 and at the end of that he was like that's not really [ __ ] you money and like at that moment I I knew what I had to do yeah each time which was just set him up yep right uh and React to what he did as well sure oh absolutely yeah without without doubt um okay so that was actually one of my questions that I had here today so the first one was the sixty three thousand dollars and then and then you know after you come and do your uh very uh you know dramatic uh move and you leave and then he just kind of looks around he's looking at the camera well that's that's that's that's that's not really [ __ ] you money is it and and that was the line now again with Dave you almost never know unless he wants you to know if one of these lines is pre-written because his delivery is so spot on or if it's straight up off the cuff like on panels sometimes when these spontaneous moments happen equally clever lines come out of his mouth just you know we've had Tom driesen and Jeff Allman on here and they've talked about they've known him for years they say oh he's the funniest guy ever like it just comes out so fast that particular line that you just referenced there was that a pre-written line yeah wow wow so you had no idea so you're walking off stage Do you hear him say that or is it in the playback afterwards that you uh that that line no you're you're right off stage yep like right off stage yeah you're very close by when he does something like that and they always keep you around right um in case he wants to call you back for some reason which he did in one of the clips yeah he did that for you that was the one that was uh literally right before the writers were gonna go on strike yeah and I you know I'm not obviously speaking for Dave but I don't think he was sure he was going to come back if it was a long writer's strike right so he he was literally just being nice to me telling me that he loved the bit I was doing and I was so touched I didn't actually say anything I I love that probably should have been like said something very said [ __ ] you very affectionately back to him but I I for the only time basically during the whole thing uh froze okay this is I'm I'm so I'm so damn grateful that you just said that because I was uh this was one of the questions that I was teetering on asking you over the weekend uh that particular one when you came back out um and he said I love you and and you just you just kind of did one of these and and and I tell you this you giving him that smile like I mean you want to call it breaking you want to call it whatever it was you were being genuine like you could tell because if I were in that that role and Dave looked and said that to me I've kind of done the same thing like it just holy cow and then I thought about it and I thought oh I wonder if because when um the gentleman and I keep forgetting his name the guy who played Lyle the intern uh a very similar kind of a kind of a a character in the sense would come out interrupt the show disrupt the flow Dave would be off the cuff and then every once in a while Dave would go off script and you could tell and and and it's like okay is this room to add lib here is this a uh uh is this something where um you know there's a there's a window here what's going to go in that window and and I was gonna ask you if other than that time were there any other even opportunities for you to ever add lib or was this something where it was always pretty tight as a drum and the randomness of it was going to be Dave's reaction and that was a gift as a performer that you got to kind of open up as a present after the the presentation well here's here's how it went down please the first time I did it they said you know uh Dave doesn't like it when you Improv okay so don't don't change what's written and I said okay that seems very very reasonable oh yeah and the first thing they wrote for me was essentially a monologue to which he was going uh-huh whatever and then doing the the tag uh the second time I was going on they had written a more back and forth thing between us yep uh and I was basically practicing it backstage like to be letter line perfect yep uh and the guy who was miking me who was just sweet man um do you remember who that was uh I I feel like the biggest CAD right now why it's a long time ago Mike and me for Mike to me for six years you know I I should I think his name was Bob okay uh um no we'll find we'll find out don't you worry about that it's all good I don't have to worry about who was biking me yeah yeah but he said to me um uh you know he's not gonna do the lines exactly as the written and I said I said no no I I didn't know that you know I've been told very specifically that um not to deviate and he's like that's gonna probably change on you he's like you know try to stay tight to it but he's probably gonna do something different um and that was sort of the that was the sort of the way it went I tried to mold what I was supposed to be doing into what he was doing right um and he did uh over time he became aware that I wasn't going to like when he started screwing around with me yeah that I wasn't good that it wasn't gonna make me lose lose where we were yeah uh and that just sort of encouraged him to do it more right because he knew that you were ice that wasn't going to break on him he could now start dancing a little bit and and doing his stuff because he's on the ice and and I I want to pull an example of that when he used your name because he didn't use your name for a long time like he would throw things out like oh yeah you work here right or oh this oh that but one time he actually threw your first name out there and and it was the last time I the last time I did it was that the last one yeah he said you're you're Jody right yeah and I said yeah yeah that's my name um and and that ended up actually being the last time I did it and um that's a pretty long back and forth between um you know I was always supposed to grab his attention right right if I was guy in the audience if I was a guy that worked for him if I was a guy he shot with water on the street when I came on to do the bit I uh I had to catch his attention yes yes um and that specific time that last time yep he hung me forever and you don't see it he they cut a lot of it it was it was basically I got to the point where I I was actually worried he he wasn't going to do the pit with me oh man uh it was the only time that I was scared that was that was gonna happen because he did it with me for so long and you're just going hey hey hey hey hey is that is that really it would be like and he turned away and started to talk to um Paul again yeah and he did it like you see it on the thing maybe two times and he probably did it six or seven it's sort of nice yeah as as a comedian yep or doing a comic bit when the person you're working with and and you know I admired Dave a lot before I was ever on the show good yeah you're getting to my questions here this is good I I before I was ever on the show yeah he was not an idol because I didn't want to be a host but someone who's comedy I I appreciated greatly yeah um and I to have him like trust me enough to to mess with me yep it was a compliment you know it was it to me was a big compliment every time you did it uh we're gonna we're gonna get back to that um now that we've we you and I have done a in my opinion anyway uh for for maybe a dozen folks out there oh we've done a masterful job of teasing how this all began and all that now it's time I think to go back to the beginning and say okay uh how did you get the gig you were already doing commercials and things like that up to this point uh before you got the first one right is that is that the order of events of your career no no that's true okay Parts on television yeah uh National commercials that were on for years yes um uh I mean the truth about it yep is that um I was friends from actually childhood with uh the Stengel brothers who were the head writers that Let It Go for uh some like 17 years I think are you still friends with them am I still friends with them yeah they're on my hit list by the way there there are a couple of the writers that we've had I mean don't get me wrong we've had young and O'Donnell and Weiner we've had a bunch of right Gerard Mulligan uh on the show but those two got we would love I'd love to have those two guys on and actually as someone who knows them do you think it'd be better to have them both on at the same time or would that would be the way to go right no that would be the that would be the way to go there okay they are funny apart uh even funnier together and you went to school with them yeah I I went to high school with both of them oh my gosh same class with Justin and uh two years older than Eric is um but I had also done the um early on had a a comedy review sketch comedy review thing that they did at the West Beth uh in the city um and I had done that right um with with them so I'd done comedy with them uh as well that was kind of a cool thing because you know some like many of the people who write New York comedy came out of this thing and you know some some people that have become mildly famous in the business um Beth Littleford who's like a a Disney mom person now and um Andrew Daly who is on uh what was it Mad TV for a long time yeah and has done a bunch of commercials and a bunch of television show hey man when it comes to the Arts success is in the eye of the beholder like I mean again I've got a I've got a kid who's in the Arts and and he's making a living at it and and that's the whole thing is if you've got work if you can do it whatever level it is because I mean you know you think about artists they've got this thing inside them and it wants to come out so badly if you can do that on any level uh with any consistency whatsoever doesn't matter the money you're winning and that's the whole thing like to know to so so to be cultivated around folks who actually get to stay artists along the way uh that's a victory right there in this in this at this time putting art and commerce together can be very difficult but at least um that there's there's uh work to be done uh those boys they went far and I love the fact that as they uh progressed in their career they also didn't forget people that they came up with and and we're we're comrades with along the way um how how did this role end up in your in in your lap they knew you were performing they knew they could count on you all that kind of stuff but how did it how did it come up well I I mean and again this this this could be completely well not all of it's going to be a powerful but some of it could be apocryphal um basically they had had people we know on it are on the show already uh I had aggressively begged to be on the show awesome oh that's right please please put me on the show and they kind of both said listen we're we want we're waiting for the right thing we want to do something good for you we don't want to give you something stupid and unmemorable to do and I said honestly please just put me on the show oh that's so great I love hearing this we I do this show I do this show because of that attitude like like sometimes if you if you want something so badly and you just go and ask for it I I host a men's mental Wellness podcast too and and I mean I've talked to all sorts of you know life coaches and counselors and there's so many men out there who have these heart desire type things and they don't act on it and it literally I swear to God Jody it it it's like a it's it it's pent-up stuff and many men that come out in heart attacks and strokes and violence and all these things because they just don't ask for what they're looking for and I just love that you just are like no I want this I want to do this it would be so much fun boys you can make it happen your your key holders uh um your Gatekeepers you could make this happen was there times where you would ask ask them periodically your friends clearly you can ask you can push the boundaries a little bit then you know because your friends for for life they know you know them were there times where you thought they were just giving you a line where it's like oh they're just pushing me off they're just putting me off or did you no no they were there they got me they got me no they they those are uh two people that I've always known to have my back oh that's awesome um they've you know I I mean obviously we're friends but yeah them and their whole family honestly have always been uh wonderful very kind to me awesome um but I uh you know I continued to to to beg and they continued to be like it it'll happen um at some point they um they put me on they were doing something where it was like interesting audience stories right oh yeah oh yeah and they only had uh two interesting audience stories and they needed a third and they were like Jody um you did this you had this funny thing happen to you uh you know you did this National Commercial for Amstel Light yep right where you were uh you know you were you were dancing and you know and showing off your chubby physique basically um and then um uh the the Amstel company along with the people who produced the commercial um basically figured out a loophole by not showing my face to not pay me for what was clearly a lead role in this thing so they asked me to come on and uh and talk about that you know that's a real life story it's a real life story they asked me to come on and interesting um tell uh a real life story that they would punch up somehow some way it would be well yeah no and and I and I you know I mean I think they suggested ways I could go with it but they didn't tell me what I had to do sure um and uh I did the bid and at the end uh Dave put his you know arm around me and was like you know that's a bummer kid or whatever he said and then you know walked away right after it and you know a bunch of the people there came up to me a bunch of the people worked there and they're like he doesn't usually touch people in in the audience because he's worried you know that someone will be like uh you know so happy to meet him they'll like hug him in the middle of it or something uh they're like he must have really liked you or trust did you uh we're not sure but it it's very cool that he did that to you yeah Tom driesen has talked about how uh the way to get a rise out of Dave is that he'll go up to him and hug him and I mean he's been his lifelong friend since The Comedy Store we've talked about this on the show a couple of times how yeah Dave not known for being a hugger um but that being said extremely empathetic and and and um you know this is a a beautiful little example of that would that have been Jody the first time that you ever met Dave or had an encounter with Dave was that time number one that was the first that was the first time and it was appearance was 06 would have been before like uh it was definitely before that maybe you know honestly it may have been 2004.

okay so we're okay yeah yeah I honestly don't know though no no that's cool that's cool but it gives good frame of reference that it's that it's at least you know this is where this is all starting to brew a little bit but your first time meeting him it's an audience shot uh one of the audience shots where he goes into the audience interviews you and then at the end of the interview cameras are off he's like hey kid that that's too bad that happens while the cameras were still on oh no kidding oh okay Dawn Walter hey we got an origin story of the [ __ ] you guy we got a prequel let's try and find that let's see I don't know that it was a prequel but after that I I continued I continued to ask them and I honestly think that and again I'm not speaking for anybody no no but I honestly think they gave me the fu guy to just shut me up basically to to get me to stop asking um I think what happened behind the scenes was usually when it's supposed to be someone who works for Dave yes like you know sue the customer is Sue the customer you know yeah oh absolutely at this pad yes is Biff they're the do the jobs that they're supposed to be doing right yes um so it's rare-ish that it's an actor doing it yes but in this case I think it was like well we need someone who can go from normal uh to enraged in you know 60 seconds and make it really real yes you have anybody you think boys do you have anything you anybody you think can do this yeah and I think they said we got just the guide for you you know um I wanna okay uh this is this is really good it's a good segue for many many many reasons I'm going to comment on that and then we're going to do a commercial and again my favorite part of this show oh my God my favorite part of this show Jody uh I love reminiscing about Letterman I love talking about these things but my favorite part of the show is getting an unwitting guest not unwilling but unwitting to be part of a commercial when they had no idea and this is a professional uh commercial actor here so this is exciting but the comment I just got a comment on what you just said because I think part of the secret sauce with Dave was that you never knew and and right back to late night you go back and you see like he just we like to say on the show here he destroyed the fourth wall and invited us all in to be to be become part of the production and and and the people that you saw most of the time I would say 75 maybe even more probably 90 percent of the time the folks that he interacted with behind the scenes were really folks that were behind scenes but then you'd get you know whether it was folks who worked with Chris Elliott along the way from the beginning or or uh allow the intern is a good example later on because I think you and Lyle uh had had um very similar kind of uh kind of an energy to you uh he would bring in a a professional and it would have to be a professional uh just it would it would have to be he melded that so well with the is this anything uh uh a bit because you fit right into the is this anything and then suddenly oh [ __ ] there's the guy same with the guy with the suit uh when you're in the suit you got hit with the water right it's oh oh it's okay and and and and suddenly you know the two have have kind of merged but um so I love that you mentioned that that is very very cool uh because sometimes he would need somebody with some chops uh to to do these things and and so um now that being said uh this show we have one sponsor on this show uh on the Letterman podcast but it's a dues easy of course it's it's in my opinion actually I'll throw it out there I it's been pointed out by a couple insiders uh the thing that has one of the things that has given the show legitimacy is we are brought to you in part by the hello Deli Rupert G and the hello Deli uh is one of the sponsors of this show they're I love the reaction I love the reaction of the guest when they see that uh Rupert and Company we just appreciate you so much nestled within the womb of the Ed Sullivan Theater is the hello Deli uh if you're in the New York area go get some soup and sandwiches from Rupert and may they're happy to uh to serve you I I swear that there are some days where there is no one that takes more selfies than Rupert G he is literally like the word kind turned into a human being he's so awesome but also if you ever want to get Late Show with David Letterman merchandise um this mug t-shirts not this t-shirt this is a staff t-shirt which I've been so fortuitously uh betrothed but um other t-shirts Rupert t-shirts all sorts of stuff he packs them himself ladies and gentlemen if you're in Iowa or or or or Washington or Bangladesh doesn't matter go to Hello Dash delhi.com and Rupert will pack these t-shirts uh with care and love and if you ask really nicely he might add onions to your order as well um did you ever eat at Rupert's did you ever go I had um several sandwiches that fueled my [ __ ] you ISM from uh from Rupert's Deli um and you know honestly I'm not sure Rupert had any idea who I was but I 100 knew who he was oh absolutely you talk about a guy who Fame doesn't change him being seen by millions of people uh and just and I think that's one of the reasons why Dave and and and Company have uh have such a good relationship with him you know uh in many respects he was I don't want to tell too many tales out of school but he was in many respects a confidant or a counselor um for for these folks that worked with him and and saw him every single day but I think just like yourself you know uh Dave wanting to make sure that the ice was was was thick enough that he could dance on it Rupert in his own way did the exact same thing for that staff and and every every bit a member of the family uh was was Rupert G and and uh I just I just love that that is the sandwich shop outside of the Ed Sullivan Theater that you've got done straight ahead but kind he's such a nice noise literally like if you go out the stage door it's literally right there yeah yeah yeah and anyway thank you for indulging the Letterman podcast in that Jody um I want to be very happy to actually that we that's the reaction and I mean that's the reason I keep it as a surprise because everybody when they the reaction is so great seeing the smile on the guest face when they when I mention even his name and and the fact that uh he's associated with it we love him he's a he's a good buddy and uh so anyway I want to go back to the beginning here so because it's it's such a casual thing but then it it's not casual because okay you know Eric and Justin that's great um but then suddenly it's like oh unions and [ __ ] and all the and this is the part that I think our viewers uh and we're gonna go do a deep dive on this um because a lot of the viewing public doesn't understand the business of show they don't understand that that um you know the moment you become like we started talking about it with um with folks who were production people who became characters on the show Pat Farmers coming on in a couple of weeks and we're really going to go down the rabbit hole with him on this um and and suddenly they're having to become part of the union and and and and and these other elements are moving parts enter their life your buddies with the with these two prolific writers um and and they're like okay you're gonna come on the show did anything did it get complicated in any way at that point or was it just like you had representation and you knew exactly what to do because you were a pro or was it different because of the personal thing here um well if you're talking Union yeah uh I had been uh aftra which is what uh Dave was on when I started yep I had been after for um maybe eight years at that point yep uh and I'd been sag for five years at that point so the the union stuff was nothing for me it was no consideration whatsoever I got my uh after card by being on um uh All My Children okay so you were like a Lego piece that fit in just perfectly at that point you were it was very very sad for them that was not a hassle for for anybody right um I I was very used to cameras at that point you know I I started like I did films that you would have seen in your health class when I was I don't know probably 14.

sounds like a juicy roll right there they're somewhere out there there are pictures of me being you know the drug dealer at the high school or or doing uh first aid things or you know like that kind of stuff I you were the guy that led to negative peer pressure or negative fronting I believe was the word that it was when I was in school you were that guy yes I I I in one of them played a played a coke dealer there was one about um the SATs that for some reason had they wanted me to look like um uh Alex P Keaton and I kind I kind of did at that point so so they used me because of that originally and then found out I was um I could do a lot of different stuff so they this company used me so by the time this rolls around uh I'm used to yeah doing things on camera I'm used to doing Live Theater the only thing I'm not used to is combining it okay interesting I had never done television live in Letterman as probably everybody knows is live to tape yeah but they made it like it was it was it was like a drum yeah no no but they I in the whole time I was there I saw them go back one time when a light blew that that was the only time they didn't do it straight through yep uh and you were talking about how good um Dave is at uh uh improvising yep there were times when I knew what was supposed to happen on other people's bits other things that I was there and I knew it had gone horribly horribly wrong yeah uh but no one in the audience and nobody on TV ever knew that because he is so he was so sharp I I sat backstage a couple times it was like oh oh my God how does all how does a person do that oh that's fantastic thank you for saying that um I always talk about my one appearance of David's back there that I I okay anyway we can talk about it off camera because I mentioned it too many times on the show um that was a month before he retired uh but I went in 0405 when Jim Carrey was on uh as well I made the pilgrimage and and uh um again I I tried to explain it to people how when they [ __ ] up you just don't know like you got to be paying such close attention especially the way the theater is set up and how you know apparently it's a little bit different for Colbert now but but but it was so the set is removed a little bit from the audience it's further back on the stage when it was when it was Dave and and I mean they were literally uh going through something and uh oh they screwed up okay yeah okay we'll just take it right back here okay and then he just starts again and you don't even like it's literally that fast you don't even know that this screw-up has happened they keep recording they keep doing their thing um and and I've heard that things like the lights out that actually make them stop production like what you're talking about uh I heard those are the things that sometimes could make Dave a little bit Persnickety he did not like the technical difficulties whatsoever because if there was a scrub he loved to just kind of run through it and and it was just a wave on the ocean we're just gonna let that wave go the next one is coming and here we are and we're we're back on again and it was smooth as silk he was such again the greatest broadcaster in history he he's not a comedian he's not that all of these things are tools that he has but at the end of the day a hard fast professional broadcaster who likes the professionalism that broadcasters like and I think that's the secret that's another part of the secret sauce with Dave yeah no I I would I would agree with you I would could I would heartily concur heartily Concur and with your assessment of that so let's go back okay so uh you had you had your one encounter uh yeah okay not quite exactly you just keep hounding them keep hounding them and suddenly this role comes up how long before you actually did your first appearance as the [ __ ] you guy uh or the fu guy uh whatever you want whatever we're calling it uh was that your name originally like was that the name of the script and how long before you actually got on stage and did it did you know what the part was gonna be I and again I I know memory I don't think I'm I think I'm remembering this correctly it's okay the way it went down is Jody can you be here by three we have this thing we want you to do um it should be fun yep and I said cool yes I can be there by three they said uh you know bring some clothing that's you yep um but you know nice-ish don't be a schlub probably no logos and things like that yeah yeah you know I mean standard standards just coming you're right just coming just come with some stuff uh and I showed up they gave me the script uh and I did it like I don't know two hours later three hours later something like that and I I kind of you know nothing comes from nowhere right right so in my mind doing it the first time I kind of was channeling my inner Belushi you know that's great uh like that if I there was a comedian I wanted to be and I only really I never wanted to be a stand-up because it's uh right very difficult life but I I did want to be a a sketch performer I loved to make people laugh so yeah he was actually my my idol uh and and I just sort of I was like if Belushi got this what would he do yeah and the answer is he would throw himself into it mentally and physically he would not he would not be doing it as a joke he'd be doing it like as much rage as you could put into it yeah is what he would do and yeah and that's what I did right I I didn't know what the right thing was to do um and as far as I knew this was going to be a one-off right right this was my one chance to blow the doors off the uh off the Ed Sullivan Theater so I mean I did what I thought would be good and it turns out I was not the only person who thought it was good absolutely um and I I from what I understand and again I'm not speaking for him no no uh but uh from what I understand Dave enjoyed the bit from the beginning yeah and that's sort of why I got to do it for you know almost seven years um you know it was uh there was there was a kindness that the whole uh the whole showed me from uh from top to bottom yeah almost from the beginning of me doing it like the fact that the stengos were kind to me was not a surprise no I knew they were gonna be um but the other people from um I mean from like the late um Michelle uh or Callahan who's yeah did Dave's and Paul's makeup yeah she went out of her way always to do mine as well and sit there and talk to me and tell me stories about the show um you know uh really everybody everybody was was uh at least decent to me there and when you're doing a a show that is that quick yeah yeah um that is that is you know that's a hard thing that's commitment yes you know um to be kind to someone to uh you know I I'm really just an actor at that point and could be ignored and shoved backstage and yeah I could be I could be a cog in the wheel and after a certain point it didn't feel like that you know um the band was incredibly kind to me uh you know I was obviously a huge Belushi fan so the fact that Tom uh bones Malone we've had him on here and he's talked about John on this show so yes right the fact that he was talking to me and being kind to me and his amazing uh suits you know um was uh what you know that my 14 year old self basically had a stroke right there you know um uh you know will Lee the bass player there uh uh I've gone to see him do uh Fab foe a bunch of times uh he's literally walked out into the audience and given me the finger during their show to the point where where people have been there and been like I've seen him do the show 20 times and never given anybody the finger what did you do to him laugh you know like like that you know he texts me jokes still like and just for that uh that kind of kindness that kind of inclusion that kind of family-ness yes I haven't ever found it any other place in uh this business actually um you know it is it is a business it is Show Business and when you're an actor especially in film and television you are only one of the important things so generally it's like shut up and do your job yeah and if you don't do it as good as we thought you were gonna do it you might get cut or you know you'll never work in this part of the town again yeah oh yeah um and to feel included in this larger you know 30-year family yep of institution by that point absolutely um you know that was something better about about myself and what I was doing than the other stuff had you know you you leave acting school sure you're gonna do Lear yeah and then you're uh the fat guy dancing in commercials yep you know yep um and that's not Lear uh and you have to come to a certain accommodation with that right um but this was uh almost Fame it was Fame adjacent on something that uh you knew to appreciate already yeah right that something that you would have been watching kind of no matter what yes um but now you were on it you know now 10 years down the line people still love what you did yes right that is uh an Incredible Gift yes to an actor or a comedian or in this case I guess you would consider me both although again I consider myself the straight man in this so yeah with without a doubt I I I'm so grateful that you just said all the words that you did because I think there's so many of us in the Lettermen uh Enthusiast Camp who would feel exactly the same way if we had a brush with the show somehow on camera um you know the the the the the level of enthusiasm for for Dave and Company includes the family part and I believe that is because right from the Mothership family was and I've used that word so many times on here and it's funny whenever you try and compliment any of them they deflect them it doesn't matter who it is it doesn't matter who it is you try and compliment them they deflect it why because that's what Dave did right from the very top uh you know there's a sentimentality that it's kind of an awesome mentality that doesn't you don't lead with it but it is right there a consideration kindness these words have come up so often and and it doesn't matter how uh you know people's Journeys um ended um you know because it is a business and that happens and there are Beginnings middles and ends that you don't sometimes know where they are until you have the benefit of hindsight but along the way though those words that you just said have been expressed by so many members of this family and I'm really grateful that you who's been on 18 times 19 I guess with the with the with the other audience uh encounter where you came on there you know you got a chance to feel that as well that is so so cool I want to get back to a little bit of the trivia stuff that people might um be interested in again a couple dozen of us but so so at this point Dave's career in 06 I believe if I have the timeline right that's around the time where Dave started changing the way um that he would be at rehearsals and things like that um did you rehearse this every single time was uh was David or part of the rehearsals every single time yep um with uh several different people playing the part of Dave was it ever Dave it was never never okay ever Dave okay do you remember who some of those people were well a lot of the time it was uh Eric Stengel actually nice oh my God how much fun okay so hold on let me just I gotta stop you there this is your buddy from school and and sitting behind Dave's desk and you're there being a bombastic character being your inner Belushi coming out I mean how cool was that just as buddies that must have been just like I can't believe we're here like how great was that it it it it it it was great it was great to see them on a regular basis too because when you do a job like that you're married you don't get to see your friends as much as you would like and during the period where you might see your friends yep you need to use that time to see your family yeah right because you're away from them a ton yep uh and I I hope at least I think it was nice for them too because they were like oh we get to see Jody he'll come up and hang out in the office for a little while you know yeah we'll talk we'll talk about old times we'll reminisce that's fantastic yeah and they were uh you know they behind the scenes were trying to you know help this be even more than it is and and again I don't think this is talking out of school um but they the writers had written a um like a long bit recorded bit about where the [ __ ] you guy came from really yeah um and the idea was it was gonna be like originally I think they wrote it um with Charlie Rose in mind like me sitting at a dark table um you know with him doing that and I I I'm I'm guessing Charlie Rose told them that you know yeah I would love to do stuff for Letterman but maybe not this bit oh wow and I think that they had hooked um uh Wolf Blitzer to do it with me do the interview part with me um but then they were showing like these little clips of how um the [ __ ] you guy came to be right uh you know showing me like arriving in New York my first job at at a theater in New York and it was me handing out tickets enjoy the show [ __ ] you enjoy the show [ __ ] you um you know then it was like me at a dentist's office like with the you know Dental all the dental stuff in my mouth but still saying [ __ ] you it was me at a dry cleaner telling him to go [ __ ] themselves you know what I love about this I love this because it's not like you've just been you were the guy handing out the ticket and people being mean to you and then it's suddenly exploding out of you in in in in a rage finally later on no this has been there the whole way and to me that is a beautiful little left turn to Convention which is what the show is famous for that's awesome and my two favorite and we we shot all of my stuff that wasn't with wolf um my two favorite parts of it were um they had me go to this well-known and I I wish I could remember the name Chinese restaurant um where they were famous for their P King duck and there were these Chinese waiters that were preparing the Peking duck for me yep um and they had the one of the waiters teach me how to say [ __ ] you in Mandarin so I so I did [ __ ] you in Mandarin so so I I which I don't remember but I love I love love that um and then um they were doing a bit where suddenly the [ __ ] you guy now has his own sitcom and uh I and I shot that and they were like hey we gotta we've got a part for roommate is there anybody you want to do this right and one of my good buddies who is um you know uh a talented stand-up comedian who eventually did Dave stand up uh I think four times a guy named Michael Somerville um uh uh I knew he wanted to be on the show badly and I was like oh I want this guy to come come on with me and I got him the ability to stand on the Ed Sullivan stage you know like I in for him at the time it was unbelievably exciting and to me it was uh and and I'll I'll use this phrase that hopefully people will understand it for me it was a Mitzvah to be able to do it for him um uh and then of course he went on to be a a letterman comedian a comedian that clearly Letterman enjoyed because he had him back four times uh um but that I was a little sad because what happened is the writer strike happened before we filmed the Blitzer stuff um and then it just sort of uh went off into the ether oh my gosh um but there is film of me somewhere doing all these little these little bits around New York City um all these [ __ ] you related bits and you know I mean that was I think an attempt to move it into greater uh into greater uh thing yeah well and I mean okay I've there is so much to unpack here we're gonna take this what you just said and we're gonna attach it to a guy by the name of Alan Coulter in a second here but but hold on before we do that uh I'm I'm not looking at you right now Jody Walter Dawn shecky where okay is there film of this if it if there is boy would that be a neat little momentum to uh addendum amend them I don't know that would be very very cool to throw that out there uh if we could oh my gosh this is really really neat hearing this um I I gotta be I got to be very very conscious of your time and whatnot but I can't uh in good conscious conscience um man I'm having a difficult time with words today uh word association day today I can't in good conscience not uh talk about Alan Coulter because um your first time you come out and you say [ __ ] you you look at Paul and say and then you look over at Alan other than maybe one other exception every single time after that I think you guys get the rhythm of the bit you get how it's gonna go and then there's the X Factor which is Mr Alan Coulter who by the way these pre-tapes that you're talking about where Alan would start with a little something and then it would go into this uh this bit that has a lot of production Associated to it and backstory and all that kind of stuff this is right along something that would be done for Alan my favorite part of the entire thing other than maybe a couple of Dave's quips was Alan's reaction and and I can't I mean we Alan Coulter rest in peace I wish we could have had you on this show um and and anytime I have a moment to celebrate that man I love big red uh his his his shock of he he barely moved when you would scream it at him and give him a finger he'd barely moved but the the reaction on his face was a thousand words could be written on that um I mean uh subtle less is more I don't know what you would call that but Alan's reaction was always just top shelf gold give yes I I agree with you and um you know most times I wouldn't talk to Dave around the thing either although I in a you know in a very very luckily I got to speak with him several times you know awesome Paul I probably talked to her slightly more than that yep but every time I was on the show I talked to Alan um and I I don't know his on-screen Persona was sometimes weird sometimes perverted you know what Jody it was anything they wanted him to be that's the thing about it he could do whatever they needed at that moment and do it well no exactly yeah the truth about the band at least to me off the screen was that he was an incredibly kind uh generous human being who again you know didn't have to be nice to me didn't have to be inclusive to me but did it you know he did include me all the time he did talk to me all the time he did treat me well all the time yep you know uh I I you know I I keep saying people but you know Eddie brill was wonderful guest on this show twice in fact the second episode is about to go this week I'm putting you up because of that Eddie Brill part two comes up here I wish I could go back Eddie Bill part three we're going to talk about you because this is this is really cool I was gonna ask about about Michael as well so anyway as you've been doing this Eddie his his name has come up in my head a few times and what what a sweet man Eddie is he and I Bond over hockey and uh and again he's turned into a friend after this as well similar experience for you a few encounters here and there and suddenly these people are becoming your friends I'm going through the same thing anyway I apologize to cut you off there isn't any of the peach yeah yeah no I mean he he was incredibly kind to me he's he is uh you know masterful at telling stories about comedy and I am uh I'm a comedy nerd I'm especially a stand-up nerd because it's something you know that I can't do yeah that's a mystery it's a it's a beautiful beautiful mystery watching these people do that I totally agree I I have done sketch yep I've hosted live events in front of large groups of people yep and had to be funny but um you know stand up is always something that I've found um amazing and scary yeah um and his you know his stories around that were always great you know and his inside baseball on stuff was always you know in interesting to listen to yeah you know and and the truth is even the people who sort of gave me crap on Dave's show yeah um did it in this wonderful like sort of little brother way like Biff would constantly give me crap but he would also be really kind to me let's quantify that what's an example of him giving you crap so to speak because we all know that Biff is kind-hearted as well and and all he wanted was to have a good show but at the same time he was just this uh yeah well yeah anyway so I think he's naturally slightly cantankerous no somebody on The Late Show who works for David Letterman that might be slightly cantankerous a little bit no again another attribute that seems to be there in the Mythos or in the in the fabric of yes so mildly cantankerous so yeah he would be like you know oh I can't believe they're having you back again hahaha but that's like a warm hug that's like a welcome back that's like your part of the crew like yeah having they haven't they beaten this dead horse enough or you know something like that that's awesome um number one and I've been directed by a lot of people at this point yes number one favorite director of all time for me uh is Jerry Foley and I I don't know if anybody has any idea how much he had to do with the show but it it was he's coming on our show very soon okay well you send him my love tell him he's still my favorite director oh he's gonna love to hear that that's awesome um I use the word awesome a lot because this is just great this is awesome that's fantastic yeah he would be like all right Jody you gotta hit your mark you got to do this you gotta do that and then I would rehearse like we were talking before and most of the time he would be like that's brilliant maybe you want to go over here more we want to go over there but there were a couple of times where he went um Jody and I would go yes Jerry could you do that again and um um this time would you try not to suck now that's an awards my favorite notes I ever got could you do it one more time and this time would you try not to suck oh foreign so but I and I hope that is an inside baseball honest because I was doing it in a in a you know like a funny inclusive oh yeah brother you kind of kind of way he wasn't doing it to be like you suck kid get out of here I'm gonna throw this out there and say he's probably trying to get you to loosen up or or something like that or probably put a smile on your face and he's just doing it to because uh Mr Foley was certainly known um for for for that uh you know and and and again the guy took over for Hal Gurney I mean you talk about a big pair of shoes to fill not only did he film but he kept him the rest of the way uh I just I'm so grateful for this again conscious of your time um you know we talked we did a good job I think setting the table about how you know you are this professional uh in the Arts that came in and and filled this role occult role in in again um broken record the greatest body of broadcasting work in history you are a cult member of that crew of that family but that being said you've got a lot of Jody Ebert outside of uh uh uh of of this as well I mean writer and and and I mean oh right produced directed a short on your own um screenplays things like that let's talk about that a little bit here before we uh before we take it home yeah well um um uh post uh Dave um I I don't know whether the right way to put this without depressing people is my life I went a little bit to [ __ ] yep um uh my first marriage ended poorly yep um I uh lost some of my representation yeah within the business uh because of uh being more picky and choosy about what I was doing yeah uh because I had a young family um and uh my uh my late father was um you know sort of dying all at the same all at the same time kind of yeah um and like uh like I said before um uh the the stengles were my friends outside of this and uh Justin specifically knew that I was going through hell so he was calling up and checking on me and finding out you know how I was doing uh one day I was leaving an audition and he called me and he was like oh you're auditioning for oh that's good you know I'm glad uh and I just started talking about my life to him um and you know making him laugh uh making him not cry but no but but his understanding my pain but still making him laugh and he said I know you're looking for another way to involve yourself to get creative he's like I think maybe you should do stand up about this and I said I I don't want to be a stand-up just because it's a miserable life for the first 10 years of it and it would take me away from my family and he said well then maybe you should write and when the head writer uh uh at Letterman says you should write yeah you listen you should write yeah so I started doing that and um fell in love with it in in a in a way that um I had not experienced with acting I loved acting I loved what I was doing but it was um I don't know it was a creative process that I didn't completely understand starting it and I essentially taught myself to do it based on what I had done for the you know 30 some odd years before that yep um and almost right away like I I started putting my work into um film festivals and um contests for screenwriting and I pretty much right away started winning awards for it wow which you know I I I don't want to belittle the work acting that I did but I didn't win any awards for it it's a different animal though too I mean they're two different disciplines they're two different but at the same time both are at least expressing who you are and releasing some of the pressure getting it out and if you're writing about things uh that you know Stephen King talks about that the first thing he says is write what you know and then you know embellish it [ __ ] around with it do all that kind of stuff it must have been extremely cathartic for you to do that and then to receive awards for it the gratification of your catharsis not that it makes going through what you went through worth it but at the same time it it at least turned a negative into a positive yeah no and then it didn't get me over any of it but it did allow me to view it from the inside and then the outside yeah you know it it allowed me to see it from a couple of different angles it allowed me it taught me to be honest in a way that I hadn't learned to be as an actor right wow um like give of myself in a way that maybe I never was going to as an actor just right because of the type of actor I was you know because I was essentially a character actor yes uh you know I was essentially what uh Chris Farley used to call Fatty fall down now I'm probably 30 40 pounds lighter than I was and everything but the last one I did so I'm not quite fatty fall down anymore the thing about that though if you don't mind me interjecting there no I think we both know uh you know you brought up Belushi um Canadian so John Candy obviously comes up into the conversation Chris Farley okay uh the the thing about that is Chris Farley is oversimplifying in in in diluting in the the grandest way possible to sum up because really what was going on in the back because Chris Farley could make you laugh by being fatty fall down but then could make you cry a second later because of the emotion that he would bring into things and and I just he summed it up but but at the same time there's a lot more depth to fatty fall down than what's on the surface and how it's presented you know my my favorite bit of his was the Chris Farley Show where he's you know we were kind where he was like I'm so stupid what am I doing what the you know or look at Paul McCartney and go uh is the love you make in fact equal to the Beloved you know I would see there it is I've been accused I've been accused by a couple folks of of being a little Chris farley-ish uh on this show oh that's awesome saying oh remember when did this happen oh that was awesome you know like but then that question comes out and hits you from left field and it's the the depth that suddenly shows up not saying that I have that kind of depth here I'm not saying I'm talking about Mr Chris Farley um on on SNL but yes that genius stuff would come out and it I mean it only comes from Pain many times as these things and when you talk about your projects here and these things that are dear to your heart that you put out to the universe but also also the catharsis within uh I just I'm really this is a very very cool turn that I think a lot of folks who uh tuned in who if they're still with us first off what's wrong with you uh you know you got things to do no but second I think that this is a very cool conversation um and and I love hearing this stuff uh can anybody how accessible are some of these things I know they're award-winning but that does not necessarily mean widely distributed and again it does not meanwhile distributed at all right um the the screenplays are of course available to anybody who would like to see them make them represent them in what are they called where do you find them Jody well you would find them from me okay uh uh you know you could uh you could find me very easily at w-j-o-d-y-e at gmail.com there we go um which is my real email address can I throw that in the description or do we not want to do that what can I throw that in the description of this broadcast or oh yeah no absolutely we're past the point I think uh I early on in doing the fu guy um I got a couple of death threats but I think we're past that now why would you treat Dave that way don't you treat it don't you dare The Ellen culture is a National Treasure if you had any idea like I generally don't deal with my own stuff you know I don't watch my own stuff a lot or whatever yeah but um right in the early points of me doing this um uh CBS worldwide pants put um my uh stuff on uh on YouTube yeah and it was early on in things going viral yep um so I was getting a couple million clicks on my stuff yep so I would look at that to be like oh this is oh they really like this one a million and a half on this one yeah um and then for a little while I went down the rabbit hole of looking at um uh the comments oh boy uh-oh and and it was 50 almost down the line and you can't find this anymore because they took those particular ones off of yeah but almost right down the middle it was people being like uh you know why didn't they stop that guy why didn't they and an equal amount of people being like how [ __ ] stupid are you this guy is an actor if he wasn't the New York police would have shot him you know and then there there'd be people and one of the death threats I got was on there like let's get together and go kill this guy oh my gosh really yeah to which I was like you know I I spoke to the program was like um this is concerning me a little bit you know I have small children at home and they were like don't worry we looked at this and this is the kind of nut who's not going to do anything email me about how they were going to come and get me oh no uh and um the thing I found most amusing about that was to get my email the email that they used yeah they had to find out my name yep they had to um look up and find that I was an actor um you know and and my representation well simultaneously suspending their disbelief that because I was just spent on a guy yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah which which I didn't get um I didn't get so much that at one point I used one of my YouTube things um to be like this dude is an actor he's literally on these two commercials right now you can watch him because I didn't want I didn't want people to want to kill me you know um and I understood that those people that were doing that were way more invested let's say the least in the reality non-reality of it yeah then you know I felt comfortable dealing with but yeah I think we're almost at the point now where the only people who care are the people who loved it yes you know um and there are plenty of people you know will be like oh active what did you do have you done anything and I always say everything else first and they're like oh yeah no I don't know you know I'm like I really Heineken commercial I had on for like seven years it was on every New York Spritz Channel all the time but no no you don't remember that at all huh and then the last thing I'll say is I did Dave David's show for six years and um to a person everybody's excited by that right um and some people are like oh you know I don't I don't know that bit but if they knew the bit right in the heart right in the heart person yep almost live they're like oh I loved it I love you I you know um but it was such a uh it was an anonymous character in a way right there are literally people that I knew from places who found out and they were like oh I'm a I'm an enormous fan of that bit yes I didn't realize it was you yep you know my uh and and I I I I hope she'll forgive me for saying this but my second wife my present wife um was actually a huge fan of the bit before she ever met me oh that's cool yeah that's a little as a husband that is a that is a little that's an Ace of Spades that's in your pocket that just is that is a very very Charming notion which means less of a fan of me now just well and I think my current husband as well I also understand that sometimes that Ace of Spades uh there's a bunch of diamonds on the board and I get that as well so you know I I understand where that's coming from um I hate okay so I love this conversation I hate that we have to kind of move towards the ending uh William jodyebert.com is where that where is where you can get in touch with me there actually or you can get in touch with me at w j o d y e at gmail okay uh that is fantastic we're gonna we're gonna put that in the description of this episode as well um I'm so grateful so so are you still watching do you uh do you do you consume uh the the Netflix do you consume Dave and his new show that he's doing the long form now have you ever watched any of the new uh Letterman stuff well to be completely honest I've watched all of it right away whenever it came on amazing um I even the people where I was like I am going to [ __ ] hate this you know oh we could do an hour on this by the way sir but anyway you keep going keep going yeah even the I and again I'm not belittling what they've done artistically but I find the Kardashians to not excite me right yeah I don't but you're there to be fair I don't think that you sir are their demo either yes no I'm I'm definitely not there but how compelling was that episode like oh my gosh no and and I went into it being like I'll probably turn this off after the first 10 minutes yeah and I didn't yep and I think Kanye West as a um as an artist is has done some incredible stuff yep but as a human I wasn't a big fan but again watched it and was like oh my God he's making um him talking to lizzo yeah I didn't know and then was in love with after him talking to and then people who I really like um had strong feelings for already like Dave Chappelle oh my gosh you know you want to talk like I know he's run up against some um you know problems out there in the in the woke World recently but the man is inarguably uh comic genius so if you love comedy you don't have to love everything that he's ever said yeah but he is undeniably a genius at at the art form absolutely I and I I love again uh Believe It or Not ladies and gentlemen no pre-interview um this is stuff that all comes up organically I could not agree more with with everything that you've said I think my next guess if my next guest is serving a purpose I believe what Dave is a master at doing is being curious and people inside the show people who worked with them for 30 years and I have have talked to me about this particular fact the fact that Dave is so good at being curious and it's the Curiosity of the for lack of a better term the every man or the Every American where it's like okay you know Billy eilish is blowing up well I'm just gonna go in there and I'm going to try and figure out and and articulate not by just asking well why are you blowing up but I'm going to show everybody why that's happening but then still for his audience that are already there top comics of the day like Chappelle Seinfeld interviewing him uh interviewing Dave and them having a really nice uh you know Julie Louis Dreyfus and these other folks that are also like he's done such a him and his team uh his very very small team because Dave is driving the bus uh have done a really good job of picking who they want to be on that show and to highlight and it's a it's a it's a broad uh spectrum that in my opinion brings everyone together Generations cultures Styles all of these things and and does a really good job especially if a season is for episodes long but there's Iron Man and then okay there's someone there's some social conscience uh as well there's somebody from a culture that is the exact opposite from Iron Man so we finished these shows most of these shows uh by asking a very similar the same question if there were a couple of people I always use the word three now we're kind of evolving it to if there a few people who you would love to see Dave sit down with and have as a guest on my next guest uh Jody who would they anyone Jeff off the top of your head uh musically um I think uh Amy Lee from uh Evanescence I'd like to see um he had her on the he added her on the show and and I thought uh that she was I talked to her a bunch backstage and I thought she was a really not realizing was her actually because without her makeup I didn't even know it was her I just spent a bunch of time talking with her about music about she was the pr person for the band with him maybe we gotta go rehearse and I was like cool that's very very cool but I I've always found her to be an interesting character in that band to be very interesting um I'm not I I don't I honestly don't know actor-wise who he hasn't done that I'd love to see except maybe you know and it could be someone he's done it could be just someone that you know who'd you like to see him have a conversation with in 2022 you know I I I think De Niro would oh in interesting in in maybe a curmudgeonoff at this point yeah see who is going to be the most curmudgeonly around uh around the thing I'd honestly be interested if he interviewed you know like Barbara Gaines oh I yes we've had a lot of folks on here been around that yeah she's been around him for a very very long time yes um and I I guess lastly I I'd be and I have no idea whether this would even be a possibility I I don't have any idea what the relationship is like now but I'd I'd love to see him talk to uh Merrill Marco because they they you know they really created the beginning of all of this yep together and I'm not sure how many people out there in the world even know that you know see oh this is really cool because off camera uh it's come up many times where people have said people and I have talked about we'd love to see him talk to Barbara uh and Meryl again same thing again dream guest for us uh somebody who you know throws out the perception that maybe been there done that don't want to talk about that anymore I don't necessarily want to talk about the Lettermen years um uh Casey St Ong was just on the show who was Dave's assistant for three years and then went on to to Rosie and she was the showrunner for busy tonight she she did such a good job of saying uh Merrill is the mother of late night television as we know it today which I believe first off is a compliment of the highest regard because I do love where late night television is gone again I believe led by Dave and Company uh but Meryl was the one behind the scenes that was uh helping to create the sensibility again mother create I mean I I Jody this was there is no better way to finish off an episode than in my opinion throwing that sentiment out into the ether because it would be fascinating to hear Dave talk with Barbara talk with Meryl uh there are so many directions that could be gone I love how much Dave has embraced his um his sensibility has changed and he's become so much more vulnerable I don't think he would have a problem uh talking about you know where women were in comedy when he started where they are now the roles that they played along the way I mean uh the roles that they played within pants or within within with it these are oh Jody you've you and I are very similar man holy cow and and even Even in our first um little little flourish back and forth I felt the energy through the through the devices we were communicating with um I just can't tell you how much I appreciate your enthusiasm how much care uh that you had for um and and the um the presentness that you have about the character that you played and how special it is to your heart I think there's going to be a lot of people again the dozens uh who care enough to to watch or listen to this show I think there's going to be a lot of people out there who are it's like a little bit of a ray of sunshine to know that you didn't just play this role but this was something that was so personal and special to you um I can't thank you enough for this conversation I hope you've had a great time I I have had a great time and just finished off please uh I'd I'd like to say [ __ ] you Mike [ __ ] you like you just it just came from your feet you just were so it just when you when you would do it it would just come right out of you inner Belushi makes a lot of sense uh William jodyebert.com is where you find you um the Gmail is there we're gonna put it in the description here I can't thank you enough I hope somehow someway our paths cross again I certainly want to mention you when we have Jerry on we're talking with him right now the stengles I think it is a good idea thank you for the confirmation uh if I can Wrangle them somehow together and get them on here at the same time I think that'd be a lot of fun um thank you for being you thank you for doing this I'm going to do a quick outro and then uh we'll say our goodbye private Leaf that's okay with you yeah it's totally fine with me sir oh man I uh well let's be careful with the sir let's use that very very sparingly shall we um guys every guys and gals who have supported this thing from the beginning thank you so much uh I can't tell you how gratifying it is um to to touch this little bit of lightning here where so many of us from so many different parts of the world feel like this uh have these feelings of sentimentality of of Honor again uh to use the phrase that we've used a few times these people were mining for gold would find these amazing nuggets bars of gold and then they would drop them on the ground because tomorrow was another show and it's time to mine for some more what we're doing is we're picking up these uh Treasures that were discarded uh sometimes never to be seen until uh Walter and Company or or Mr Don Giller have have put these things back out again uh there's a Resurgence it's happening we're happy to celebrate it here on the Lettermen podcast I have to say it until I don't have to say it anymore please like share subscribe leave a positive comment do all those things on the show no matter what denomination or platform that you find it on we would appreciate that very much I cannot wait for the time that I don't have to ask for that and uh I think it's coming sooner than later so grateful my name is Mike Mike Chisholm uh coincidentally this is the Letterman podcast with Mike Chisholm um thank you again for tuning in thank you and good night overcoat and Underpants