Mike Summers was a sociology major and ended up an intern at Letterman? You Bet!

you're watching The Lettermen podcast with Mike Chisholm endorsed by the hello Deli yeah welcome once again to the Lettermen podcast my name is Mike Chisholm I love uh when this show and I mentioned it a little bit on the show so I'll try not to reiterate it too much in the intro but I love when the show uh naturally organically has patterns emerge sometimes just by with the booking of the guests that we have um and then the subsequent booking at right after or a couple of guests later there's callbacks there's all sorts of things uh Trends Little trends that develop uh and have developed within this show I love that how it organically happens none of it is planned as you can well imagine we very little is planned here uh and it shows but that being said uh organically these patterns do emerge well what's been happening now is we've had a lot of folks who were interns for the show and it's the summer time at the time of uh the release of these particular batch of episodes and so what I think we're gonna do here is have the summer intern series and and uh we're probably uh three or four interns into it already uh but we've got a few interns that are have popped up and would love to tell their stories uh on the Lettermen podcast and and it's funny I had a long time staff member fairly recently say to me hey make sure you get as many interns as you can the interns all have uh have all the good stories and certainly it is a different vantage point you know you've got uh these bright-eyed you know many times young most of the time young people who show up work for free for the production that is either Late Night with David Letterman or Late Show with David Letterman and they're working with these people who um are are fast paced and and um you know in the grind of things right and it's a very self-deprecating group and it's a very tight-knit group it's a family uh you know for sure and then you have these people come in and join in and they become part of it for a season sometimes they get hired on and they stay um you know the gentleman today uh who's on his name is Mike Summers he was on for he was at Letterman uh for an intern season and and then stayed on for a little while longer than before moving over to Rosie and then working for George Lucas is a great pretty crazy story coming out uh of this episode with that a guy who got to work for George Lucas and um that's it's kind of a neat story but um Mike is really cool at a certain point in this episode he shows us a Polaroid of of him uh dressed as an elf by Sue hum and there's two other people and uh Chris Shuki shukai is one of them and and Tommy rupret is the other one Tommy's been on the show here Chris is coming on the show uh very soon and then Mike Summers is on today so kind of neat um little little stories that come from these episodes here I love that the Lettermen podcast can be a conduit for some of these people who have moved on to other careers uh but no it seems universally that the interns for Late Show with David Letterman certainly certainly uh not just remember but were impacted and forever uh imprinted because of their time working at either Late Night with David Letterman or Late Show with David Letterman this is an example of that so as part of our uh the Letterman podcast summer intern series I would like to present Mike Summers okay so uh what has it's so funny how when this show uh you know evolves itself and and some of the things that happen um you know patterns start to happen like we'll have certain writers who ended up working with other writers and then a couple weeks later when that Raider team left we'll have the writer team that took over for them or or we'll start with some music uh some a musical guest and then suddenly it'll evolve into other people who were related and it's really neat how organically this is happening the summer of 23 for the Letterman podcast has become intern uh bonus episodes because we're gonna have I believe we're gonna have every single week we're gonna have enough uh in the can that we can put out an episode uh each week of folks who interned for the show somebody who worked for the show for a long time said to me uh good make sure you get the interns on there the interns have all the best stories and I can tell you uh Mike Summers uh is a guy who still has the energy that he had when he interned for Late Show with David Letterman Mike thank you so much for taking time out of your day to come on here onto the Letterman podcast and talk about your memories working for Dave and Company thank you so much for having me oh this is so exciting now okay um let's do the first question is what year did you intern and what are you doing now that's how we're gonna start with this and then we'll go backwards here in a minute exactly so I was an intern in 1995 in the fall it was my last semester of college from the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana I did that and then I was lucky enough because it was my last semester of school I actually got hired on um not in a full-time capacity but to hire or to to kind of train or Orient the new interns for the following semester so that was kind of an exciting gig and uh just graduated college just did this amazing internship with Letterman in the fall and then I got hired on in the spring so that was kind of cool oh that's fantastic so what do you do now so 95 yes almost 20 years ago uh what are we doing now yeah so when I left Letterman I worked I should say yeah so I left a lot of men I worked for Rosie O'Donnell for a while because Daniel kellison left to become executive producer over there took me with him went over there for a few years um and then worked for George Lucas briefly doing a project in Chicago the museum project but didn't materialize yeah but that was and yeah right that was an amazing experience so while the story's there as well um and then worked at a university in NYU for a long time and now I'm back in the Chicago area working in hospitality good for you man yeah I can definitely ask you some questions about that uh that museum um that's that's it's very very cool okay so um safe to say you were a fan of of David Letterman and and his Productions long before he became an intern there oh absolutely absolutely I mean the internship just kind of fell into my lap I was studying sociology I wasn't studying television or production or anything like that went to the career center or the internship Center at the University and just kind of thumbing through the old books because you know we had books then we didn't have everything was an internet and everything like that um and found I'm like well let's apply let's you know let's see what happens got a phone call from Morty's office uh oh I don't know a week or two later after I sent in my little snail mail application and uh next thing I knew I was on a plane out there for an interview came home told my parents I was moving out there for the last semester of college they Shrugged and there I was wow um that is that is incredibly exciting you go to the library uh you you go through the books to see the uh the different intern opportunities that are out there you see Late Show with David Letterman um and and and at that point was your mind kind of like like did it just go off in the direction of dreaming that kind of a thing or did you hand out a stack of them and this one happened to say yes oh this was just a dream I mean this was a dream this was a far shot dream this was something that wasn't going to materialize it's like you know what what the hell I'm getting ready to graduate let's do this let's see what happens and sure enough I got the phone call like I'm sorry I hope it's okay to say that I hope it's okay to say that on the air but absolutely wow so that was amazing never had been to New York before anything like that you know flew on my little plane spent the night in some fleabag hotel the night before so I wouldn't be late to my interview showed up with my little suitcase left it with the security desk off uh you know off the Broadway there and uh yeah here I am wow okay so let's talk about the interview so I've never been in New York before uh you find your way down to the Ed Sullivan Theater when you get there are you um are you intimidated as you walk in there oh sure I mean I was intimidated enough being in New York let alone walking to Letterman studio I mean of all places go into the little I I probably yanked on the front door to start not knowing that that wasn't where you go in you just go around the corner but eventually found my way over there and uh I mean security was of course amazing and nice and you know they knew I was coming and all that good stuff and went upstairs can't remember who I interviewed with I want to say it might have been Zoe it might have been Zoe Friedman I'm not entirely sure but Zoe and then of course Susan schreier in Morty's office I I know I met with those two folks for sure and I'm sorry if I'm forgetting anyone important I don't I apologize I'm old what can I say but yeah so yeah it was intimidating but it was exciting it was really exciting do you remember the types of things that they asked you oh gosh no I'm sure they asked me where I go to school what am I studying why do I want to do this all that kind of good stuff I'm sure I gave him some bogus answer to get in the door and it stuck it worked so my acting skills were good no kidding right okay so that first day you go through however many one or two people that kind of a thing um you're released back into the wild do you do you spend any time in New York or do you go right home no I had the data kill in New York because you know I'm I'm heaven forbid I missed a flight so I think I had probably six or seven hours to kill after that so you know I bummed around I think I oh I remember on one of the bus rides to the airport or something to go back eventually I thought I was going through Central Park but wow this is Central Park I don't think it was I think it was just some random Park probably in Queens or something like that but I thought it was Central Park so that was a good enough story for me I'm like you know what I'm not gonna get this internship but boy I got to see Central Park I got to see the Letterman offices not the studio but the offices all that good stuff I'm like yeah I'm really living here you got a story out of it yeah yeah and then I realized yeah it wasn't the big Park so so you get home and how long is it till you get the call I want to say it might have been a week or two it was pretty quick it was pretty quick honestly I don't remember when I flew out for the uh for the interview I'm no I'm gonna say probably during the summer at some point I was interning for a radio station in Chicago at the time q101 um so I want to say that probably ended up or maybe June July and then I was out there you know right before the semester started in August I think I had just missed the anniversary you know photo whatever they do um in August because I want to say it's like August 3rd or something like that I'm probably wrong on that date so I'm sure lots of people will correct me on that but yeah so it was you know I probably got up there around August 15th or so wow okay um which is which is fascinating to me because I mean you're in the middle of your summer you're working for a radio station which in my in you know from everything I've heard I'm certain that is something that probably served you a little bit at least from our first first impression standpoint a lot of people who studied broadcasting were into the broadcasting thing but you're a sociology guy end up at a radio station leapfrogging over to Letterman so funny so great um that you could do that now you get you get the notification that it's happening uh how long was it until you were situated somewhere in New York where did you stay at first uh because that you know if you can make it there you can make it anywhere is is the phrase for a reason it's not exactly the easiest place to get established um how did that how did that all turn out yeah it was a bit of a Mad scramble um yeah so I had a friend who had a friend who lived in New Jersey who the friend was thinking of eating a place in Hoboken so we met up or we talked on not even by email I don't think we had email back then I don't think I don't know how we did this I guess we talked on the phone old-fashioned I don't know but um we figured it out and I like moved out there and we hit it off we got a place in Hoboken pricey uh but you know a little bit of a dump of a place to begin with and uh just started from there and luckily I had parents who supported me along the way and made it all work for me and uh it was an unpaid internship I mean I don't know what it's like you know nowadays but it was on paid back then had to get school credit of course but uh so it was it was a it was a tough semester but you know it you I was Scrappy um and all the other interns were Scrappy so we found our fun um and of course we look we work long days so it wasn't like you know we were bored at any point but yeah we found our little watering holes and all that kind of good stuff to eat and drink on the cheap and all that so so yeah it was a mad scramble but it all worked out and I made some really great friends and then I ended up staying out there for the next 20 some odd years uh and made it work so um okay so you're you're you you're there you're not taking you didn't take another job so you could work as many hours as they would have you there and were you were you the guy that said oh yeah extra hours no problem like I'll stay as long as like were you kind of the as you were there was this one of those things where you're like I want to entrench myself into this uh this experience oh yeah absolutely I mean I probably in hindsight should have gotten a little part-time job or something in addition to that but you know I was I was doing the whole Letterman thing sorry that's okay there we go technology uh but yeah so I mean it was basically Monday through Friday um even when they were on Hiatus I believe that year they went out to the Academy Awards I think but not the Academy Awards the the Oscars not the Oscars the Emmys the TV Awards the Emmys there you go it's been a while um the Emmys and uh you know during a Hiatus the the interns kind of ran the show over there all alone in the offices and stuff so that was kind of fun answering all the phones and doing all that kind of stuff but yeah it was it was pretty full time I want to say we probably started around 10 a.m every day and I had about what 30 45 minute commute from Hoboken to get up there and I was poor and cheap so you know I would walk not take the subway when I could so you know we do all that 10 11 and I say we'd get out there probably around six seven o'clock at night or so so yeah yeah um I I I gotta ask let's go right back to the first day do you remember your first day do you remember the orientation I do kinda I remember a little bit of paperwork not a ton of paperwork it wasn't like tons of forms and ndas that I can remember anything like that so um yeah I just remember kind of being nervous walking around meeting the other interns I think they might have sent us a list of the other interns and phone numbers so I may have reached out to a few of them just to kind of introduce myself and go from there but uh but it was it was they were really welcoming I mean you know you think you know television New York all that it's going to be you know Cutthroat sure they're cut throat parts of it but they were really welcoming so I never felt it was never awkward it was never awkward and when you started where was the uh you know did you there there are lots of stories of of interns who go around to different departments and they figure out kind of where they're going to place people then there's other stories where they know uh exactly where their place the day that they get there which were you I was in the talent department so I was working with all the talent Bookers and all that doing all of the you know um pulling pulling the clips pulling the running notes for Dan and Mary Mary Connolly um the you know the blue cards and everything all over the place and then I got roped into in a good way I got roped into kind of being in Dave's office a little bit so um I was the person who'd kind of run and get the lunch every day for Dave uh which was really exciting but there's a good story there too I was terrified one day I don't know if you want to go there now please yeah go let's let's do it so you know Dave's a creature of habit um in a good way and uh he'd have his pasta every day and I'd go pick it up and I want to say it was Bond or Century I can't remember the place I can remember I can remember the place it was you know a big open cavernous type restaurant very retro very like maybe 1920s so I want to say it's like Bond or something like that so you know we have a standing order and I'd have to go pick it up and you know I'm walking through Times Square and it's you know it's summer it's still warm out it's August September and uh the paper bag ripped and and and and and down goes Dave's lunch all over the pavement and you know I what do I do we didn't have cell phones and beepers and I didn't have a beeper there were beepers but um I'm like what do I do so I've had a panic I couldn't run all the way back to the studio and explain it to Laurie and and um and Casey that you know I drop lunch what do I do I went back there and I just kind of explained and begged and pleaded then you know they fired up the grill and did whatever they do to to make more pasta and I scurried back a little bit late um but uh it all worked but boy was I terrified you know here's a big you know I should have probably sold that because I'm I'm sure if I would have told a tourist in Times Square that that's that's Dave Letterman's lunch right there I probably could have made a mint per noodle I mean it literally made amends I was terrified but it all worked out but uh that that will always stick with me that's always one of those boy you know we didn't have plastic bags back then I'm old but paper bags that's son of a gun ripped right through so yeah and you went and got Dave's lunch every day for a while that's uh that's that's that's pretty cool um being able to say that you did that I mean again because you are you are a huge you know you are a huge fan of the show as well um was it hard for you to be a big fan of the show and work there was it one of those things you know we hear I hear from other people that you know the enthusiasm we have for it we had to kind of temper that down there you know but at the end of the day inside we all knew what we were doing and what we were working for was that something that you had to reconcile or did you get to it pretty easily for me it was pretty easy I mean I come from pretty humble roots in the midwest here so uh humble roots in the midwest so you know I'm a big fan but I wasn't a rabid fan I wasn't like you know when I'd answer the phone and you know all the the people in Europe when it was daytime when it was airing there would call drunk and you know be all that you know I wasn't quite that rapid sorry English people sorry Europeans what you want me to say yeah let's talk about that no no hold on hold on so what what would be happening in the middle of the day the Europeans are calling into the oh it's kind of fun you know so when the when we'd be taping the show so I guess it would probably sync up with their air time or however that works and again this wasn't on demand back then this was this was live TV live TV in the sense of its broadcast you know at a particular moment in time but uh you know we'd watch the switchboard we'd answer the phones and in Dave's office and you know the talent office you know all over the place you know while they're doing the taping after we had done all our running around and while they're actually taping the show and we'd get the I'd get calls from you know people watching the show having fun maybe imbibing a little bit maybe it was a Friday maybe it was a Thursday doesn't really matter the day of the week but people were having fun watching the show had a little bit to drink they'd be calling up you know I'd hear a lot of Scottish accents a lot of English accents I mean all over the place you know and somehow they'd find the number through the the switchboard or whatever for you know the general number or possibly Dave's number I'm not giving out that number even though it's no good I'm not giving it out but uh I do still have the call sheet I do still have a copy of the call sheet but um but yeah I haven't answered the phone you know we'd have a little fun with them you know in a professional way that was a professional as a 21 year old to be but uh but yeah um okay so that's during taping that's that's that's that's hilarious I've never heard that before that's uh that's that's super cool um okay so let's go back to you working for Daniel and Mary I mean you know and we're talking we talk about this time um you know in place and and and you know for the first couple years at CBS um you know a lot of the the the crew that was there was the crew from NBC you know they ran at that Breakneck speed to to get late show up and running and going and then there was a bit of an exodus at that point there from some of these people they went off for different projects and things it seems like you were there right in that right in that sweet spot of of you know these people coming a lot of them coming to the end of this massive Sprint that they've done um you know it must have been really really interesting uh working with Daniel and Mary um I don't I don't know if you were there for the Madonna moment but like you're around it's around that time that that that you're there the guests are all A-list um the uh the pressure uh never or greater um that must have been a very very cool environment to be in every day but it must have been extremely stressful as well it was it was a really cool time and you hit it right on the head there uh it was The Sweet Spot you know we're coming off a late night we're going into the Late Show we're in year two three all a-listers all a-listers I mean we had the people where you know if Liz Rosenberg calls but you find Daniel right away you drop everything come holler high water you find him things like that um and constantly on the whiteboards constantly moving around the guests for even that day yeah us to make it all work because again people were fighting for spots on the show people were literally fighting for spots and I wish I had been a little bit older when I was there because I didn't fully know all of the staffers from late night right um but I mean they're Legends they're Legends but I didn't know them I'm sure I ran into them and talked to them a million times when they were you they're stopping by you're still involved it's no Merrell Marco you know involved in some way or another but I I didn't know and appreciate it at the time and nor did we have you know cell phones with cameras at the ready all the time and it's probably a better thing because I probably would have gotten canned this you know as soon as I got in the door for taking pictures and all that kind of good stuff but you know every now and then we'd have one of those little you know uh cardboard disposable cameras if they're ready and we'd get lucky or you know get an autograph here and there so that was fun but yeah it was it was an amazing time and like I say I wish I was a little bit older so I could appreciate it even more than I did yeah but what a great what a great thing right out of college I mean come on what better place to work well and then in the talent uh Department I mean you're seeing these people as they come in too like are you are you preparing their gift bags and handing the gift bags out and things like that or what what are some of the what are some of the things that you would do are you helping to research uh like what are some of the things that you're helping Daniel and Mary with like how yeah describe some of the tasks that you had it's pretty much anything that comes your way I mean you know there could be you know hopping in a limo quick and again limos back in the day not just a Town Car sedan it was a limo um to like run something to some celebrity's house or to their publicist or whatever uh delivering gift bags I was there during the holidays so delivering all of the jackets uh that Dave was given out to the different celebrities the publicists and all that kind of good stuff um helping with last minute Green Room requests that needed to be done um changes in the blue cards and the notes that would go you know to the to the director's little pit down in the down in the cellar there and all that good stuff I mean literally anything and everything or you know Mike go find a bottle of Dom perion oh well you know what do I know about Dom Perignon I know rock God I don't know Dom Perignon at that age what am I doing and and just somehow acquiring this specific bottle at some random liquor store that you know I'd hopefully had already scoped out and just getting it I don't know how I even paid for it I can't even remember how I paid for it I certainly didn't have Deep Pockets to pay for it they must have sent me with money I'm guessing I don't remember but anyway it was just the high of every single day running around never knowing what you're gonna do but it was all exciting yeah no kidding um so who are some of the uh who are the some of the celebrities or some of the moments that you uh bump shoulders with that while you were there that uh stick with you to this day I love Carol Burnett um when Carol was on what an answer I had just I had just seen her on Broadway or Off Broadway in Moon Over Buffalo and I kept my playbill and when I you know she was one I wanted to meet so you know I kind of talked to you know one of the talent people and you know so they arranged to have me help them bring something up to her dressing room you know during before the show and I had my Play Bill and she was so gracious to sign it for me and I was just tickled pink again we didn't have cameras at the ready nor probably should we but I remember talking I'm like you know I wish I had a camera she's like oh next time sweetie darn it if that didn't happen so when she was in Chicago at the Chicago Theater probably about at this point so this is 2023 so probably back in like 2016 or so she was performing and you know I kind of you know being in the industry um I kind of knew who to look for so I found it I found a guy that was kind of hanging out toward the side of the stage toward the end of the show and I went over to him and he looked like he's her guy so I went up to him I'm like you know I explained really quickly my Letterman story I'm like I was an intern I had her sign the playbill we didn't have cameras back then she said next time sweetie this is my one next time I'm ever gonna get yeah so he pulls me in the line I go backstage I meet her I get my picture with her so it all went full circle and then I saw of course a few years later on Broadway and went down and chatted with her for a few minutes but that's neither here nor there but the point is it's like it all went full circle so she was one of them Mary Tyler Moore was another one didn't have this yeah didn't have the same interaction with her that I had with Carol Burnett yeah she was she was super sweet I thought um she had she had a bigger Entourage I thought um so you know her hair her makeup people all that kind of came along for the ride so um it was a little more difficult to have a conversation but I did say hi um and that was all I needed that was all I needed and that of course there's the other big names you know uh some of them stand out as being a little not as uh friendly in person as maybe like the Carol burnetts of the world yeah but uh a few musicians who didn't like to let us sit you know so during rehearsals they'd sometimes let us sit in the back you know kind of listen you know trying to listen there were one or two that didn't want any of that going on so uh you know so we kind of missed out on that I'm not a huge fan anymore but yeah no no no well of course well yeah clearly uh very much so and it's it's it's it's it's cool to see that enthusiasm still um and that's my and the person I'm speaking about maybe a relative of Roxy Roker if that's a hint to any of our viewers out there well there we go maybe maybe a musician relative a Roxy Roker I think I've got that right let's get the uh let's get the detectors on this one yeah that's right uh send in your answer and we'll tell you if you're right um yeah the uh so some of the rehearsals that you would watch um like so this is basically at the end of the day that the talent has been wrangled you're you know Mary and Daniel are kind of set things to go you can go off to the the actual theater itself and you can watch some of the rehearsals we just had Harvey Goldberg on who's been the um he mixed basically you know he's been mixing music for the last five decades uh most of the entire Late Show run and he actually did a really good job talking about um you know the the route from when the gear was loaded into you know the rehearsal to what it took to the performance then Final Mix uh you would see some of these performances or rehearsals for the performances and at a time where he was booking the biggest musical acts that you could think of um any that are are notable to you where it's like oh my God I got to see you know this artist here kind of casual and just you know loose and letting things uh experimenting a little bit on stage you know this is where I'm going to sound spoiled because I worked for Letterman I don't have a favorite because they were all amazing and I know that sound just like a standard kiss-ass answer but it's not I mean we got spoiled we got spoiled we got spoiled I mean there was nothing that stood out particularly because everyone was A-list or or better than A-list I mean yeah wow I mean I can remember moments with Dave walking down the hallway you know tossing the football with Walter and stuff you know as they're going to the studio stuff like that stands out to me because it's just so surreal and it was so cool and I'm literally like walking down the hallway as they're like tossing the ball you know back and forth like things like that stand out to me but the performers don't necessarily because it was it was an everyday occurrence I gotcha I gotcha um okay so I want to get to yours you get some pictures here that you sent me and let's see if I can get to them nice and quickly I should be able to there we go okay can you see these yeah yes I can all right so what do we got here for those who are on uh who are on the audio um as opposed to the YouTube this might be a section that you want to come over to the YouTube for but uh we're showing a picture of Dave and who are we looking at here Mike that that is my mom Sherry she flew out to visit me and I was lucky enough to take her to the holiday party in 1995.

um he rented out I don't know if it was called woman rank at the time the ice skating rink in Central Park and uh that's where we had our holiday party that year and I think she got to see the taping that day if I'm not mistaken I think we somehow smuggled her into the audience so while I was working while I was working and uh then afterwards you know she hung out for a little bit bummed around a little bit and uh we went to the rink and skated and uh yeah she got her picture with Dave that's fantastic um oh Big Red yeah Alan that's Alan of course I didn't now that's not during the years I was there that was at a subsequent visit to the set but uh Alan I think it just started I think literally he I think it was like day one for him fall 95 if I'm not mistaken yeah correct me if I'm wrong but uh but yeah Alan was cool and I actually got to see him at NYU once I think his kid graduated from the University when I was working there so uh it was nice to run into Allen and get a picture with him yeah absolutely and and um you know we we unfortunately never had a chance to have him on our show but uh uh everybody has just you know gushed about how kind of a man Allen is and how talented he is um just a fantastic fixture uh when it comes to Late Show um Alan what a what a great guy Alan is absolutely okay yeah this one is gonna take a little bit of uh a little bit of explanation what do we got going on here sir so uh there I am I got recruited you know because of my height I'm I'm super super tall um I got recruited to be an elf along with two of our folks from the research department at the time and can we name these people I I should know I know the ones in TV now uh the one does news I believe out in the out in the west somewhere um I know them they're both Facebook friends I'm embarrassed to say I remember you guys I just don't remember your names offhand because I'm on the spot on the air but um but yeah that's okay it'll come in it'll come afterwards in the comments this is great it's fine I I I'm sure you'll know them I'm sure people know them I know them I just can't think of names because I'm old uh but yeah uh we were dressed up as elves and we were gonna do a skit a bit where uh you know we were in the back of a taxi we were gonna hop out of the taxis it's screeched up to the strip club in New York and I think Dave is going to hop out of the you know out of the back seat of the taxi and run into the strip club or something but the weather did take a little bit of a turn it got super icy and stuff I think Dave might have slipped a little bit and you know was it so anyway so we satin holding in the studio and that's up you know upstairs the offices there um we uh we sat there and sat there and eventually got cut so I didn't get my sag card or anything like that out of the deal but I did get a really cool Polaroid picture and suhum dressed you guys up for this oh yeah Sue hum dressed and stuff I wish I still had that outfit actually that coming out pretty handy but uh but yeah no shoot him dressed up it was actually really fun you know a little bit of makeup a little bit of Rouge on the cheeks that little outfit hang out with the guys for a little bit and then get sent home with uh with no air time oh look at this party I assume yeah at the Holiday party of course Paul my mom Sherry me uh you know yoken it up over at Central Park there enjoying probably a non-alcoholic beverage I'm sure um and just having fun yeah I'm super glad my mom got to go out there I wish my dad would have been able to he was he was he was quite ill at the time from cancer so he didn't ever get out to make make it out there to visit me in New York but I would have loved to have brought him as well but uh but yeah my mom was my date that's awesome and then of course here we are yeah oh yeah with the man himself um that's right we've heard a lot of stories that at the holiday parties he would he would definitely make himself available for almost everybody um did you now you did work in the office with Lori and Casey and whatnot um first name bases with Dave did you see him every day did you see him every other because Summer interns worked there the entire time they never saw him once kind of a thing so it seems like you got to see him more than many of the other interns yeah I saw him pretty much daily I don't know if it was because I was just really nerdy and good at phones but uh one of my jobs in the morning when I would get there and I think I was usually one of the first ones then because I'm never late um so I'd be there pretty early so uh one point they were going to have me either be the person to meet him to park his car for him um and or answer phones well I ended up answering phones because while I learned on a stick shift there was no way in hell that I was gonna Park Dave's stick shift as I'm pulling away and he's getting out of the car here's the gears grinding so that was not gonna happen I I I voluntarily opted myself out I think I sat car once just so I could say I did I never drove it um and then you know was it the stealth or was it something a little higher than that I want to say it was probably a little higher than that you know I'm not really a car guy so I don't know it was it was just a really really nice fast car that I wasn't about to break um so so yeah I would do that but my job was basically to be on Dave's Floor answering the phones while uh um can't think of the name he'd go downstairs and move the car for days uh when he'd pull up in the morning so um so I would answer the phone so and then I would Buzz Dave in and you know a few times I would just be so enabler be like morning Dave um that I forget to push the little buzzer to let him in so he'd be yanking on the door and I'm like oh sorry about that so I think he got used to it after a while but uh no he was super cool he never got mad maybe yanked on that door a few times but yeah that was pretty cool so yeah I saw him pretty much on a daily basis and then every now and like I say we'd see him in the hallway you know walked into the studio or whatever you know they pretty much try to clear the hallway you know I mean understandably he's got places to be things to do uh I mean you know his little his little elevator ride downstairs but um but yeah I'd see him I'd see him coming to going quite often so I I was very fortunate in that regard um I guess I knew where to hang out at the right times but yeah right um okay so while you were in the intern role where you Talent Department the entire time I was yeah I was Talent Department a little bit more breath and depth again I you know I don't know how many people in the town Department actually ran the cards down to the director's area and all that kind of good stuff I don't know if it's just no I'm trying to sign my understand I don't I don't know I just I I was a reliable person so I think people tended to lean on me to do things like Drop Dave's lunch in the middle of Times Square um but yeah I think so I you know I tried to I tried to learn as much as I could to be honest with you and try to be in as many places as I could as well and then when I got hired on again luck of the draw having it be my last semester and all but um you know I was able to stay on I was able to get even more breadth and depth because then I was kind of kind of acclimating the new interns to all the areas more or less um but yeah and then of course you know internality was just right around the corner from Paul's office so we'd see Paul often as well so um okay so that was the question that I was gonna ask here so when when when the internship ended um was it seamless as to when you got hired it's like yeah we know we're going to keep three or four interns and they they kept you or did you have to kind of re-up re-interview again and and uh what department did you end up at like were you technically part of like the page program like what part of the in uh did you get hired to do no so I didn't have to re-up or anything like that it was just basically an offer like hey Mike you want to stay on I'm like yes do I ever do I ever um but yeah no I didn't have to do anything for that and I was still part of the the intern program I didn't I wasn't a page or anything like that um and it was still technically technically Talent department but then again the the reach and the breadth and depth of talent Department was everywhere so it wasn't like uh you know Talent had its had its tentacles on everything so um so yeah so honestly it was probably the best place to be for that automatic just kind of staying on for a few weeks or whatever the heck it was collect a little bit of a paycheck I had applied for a job that was open down in um uh down in the the pants office the worldwide pants the you know the the production office uh I applied for a job down there as a receptionist I didn't get that job I feel better about that uh but no I didn't get that one but you know I think it showed that I had an interest and I and I was graduating so again luck of the draw a lot of the other the other interns the kids were going back to school so this kid was Don's so I stayed on and that was fun yeah and how long did you stay on for I was a few weeks I can't imagine it was more than a month or two at most it wasn't very long it was long enough to collect a paycheck and to still be part of the magic but not you know not long by a long stretch and then after I left I was I was waiting tables at a Johnny Rockets you know doing little 50s songs and serving cheap burgers and stuff like that but uh and then that's when I got the call about uh going over with Daniel to um to uh Rosie's show which was starting up over at uh 30 Rock so yeah and this is uh this is actually I was fascinated to know that so you may answer part of my question there so it wasn't quite seamless but it was pretty close I was going to ask while you were there did you know that the Exodus was gonna start happening and that Daniel was going to move over or or uh like how did that news reach you uh after you had left there was some Buzz about Rosie's show coming on but I don't know if I know that Daniel was leaving necessarily though I was lucky enough at one point uh because I was so was it was Rosie of course and then Daniel I think aside from other people I probably didn't know about I think I was probably like the second or third person hired as basically pre-production for Rosie's show with Daniel and we were working out of uh Carney Wilson's old offices for her show that was wrapping up at the time um and uh we worked out of those offices total but they were offices nonetheless and uh we basically just got everything and part of my job was really just kind of following Daniel around going to some of the nicer hotels as he was interviewing some of the producers and stuff that were going to come in for the new show so my job was kind of sit in the lobby and you know look my prettiest and uh make sure that I had all the files ready to go and make sure you know when lunch needed to be ordered that we'd get lunch for them for their lunch interviews and things like that and then eventually moved over to 30 Rock and did all that kind of good stuff and I was there for a while but uh yeah yeah it was cool oh wow so yeah so I was lucky enough during all that paperwork work shuffling and me being the holder of the paperwork to actually come across the notes and he had he had a list of interns recent interns and there were little notes next to that like a little everything was amazing for people who are listening but like little interns that he kind of liked and got along with and he thought would do a good job and my name was circled you know they're one or two names Circle it's always really cool about that so wow uh yeah like I mean television history when you look at you think about the time that you were at Letterman uh television history certainly and then also Rosie giving that show was a big deal um you know we had we had Robert Morton on here not too long ago and he talked about how you know there was talk and and a deal almost you know done and in place that Rosie was going to be Dave's uh permanent guest host and and and and that didn't happen and one of the ingredients as to why that didn't happen was because Rosie got her own show um you know really really big deal that that happened how long did you stay working for Rosie it wasn't more than about six months or so um it was you know it was it was a lot for me I'll be honest with you I wasn't an intern then I was I was working Mega hours Mega hours for Rosie and then a Mourinho Boyle had her own talk show at the time that was out of the same office so uh I was the I was the correspondence coordinator for that show uh for Rosie Show and uh it was it was basically I was the mail guy um I would deliver the mail around and all that good stuff and then I actually kind of start their little internship program to get that going off the so it was exciting to be there pre-production during the launch of production and into the show and you know uh the one thing I I remember distinctly about that is I was a fool and I happened to be sick the day that I knew Cher was going to be on who calls out sick when Cher is gonna be on I mean who does that a stupid young person right out of college that's who but yeah no it was fun and it was actually it was fun just like it was fun to roam around Ed Sullivan and you know all the little hallways and just kind of taking the history and all the coolness it was also fun to kind of roam around the same floor Saturday Night Live and Rosie's Studio was all right there and just gonna be like wow come and go take the the elevator up with Tom Brokaw in the morning you know his hair is all bed head messed up reading the paper I'm like morning and you know I think he kind of nodded but you know but yeah it was it was it was super cool it was super cool yeah you know and and there's so many um people from different regions of the country uh that I've talked to that whether they either started as an intern or we just they know they started and finished as an intern whatever um the the majesty and the magic of New York that I think we all is as you know I'm a gen xer growing up New York to certain people especially just kind of calls you and you get there and and and and you know you hope to get a glimpse of what your everyday life was for a time when you were 21 years old that is absolutely uh crazy and and dream come true for so many people so many people just would aspire to have the memories that you have locked you know bouncing around inside your uh your cranium uh what would you say and you're so right about that it's either a John Hughes film or a New York city backdrop those two are like the quintessential and I've gotten to live both of them well I didn't come from John Hughes suburb money but just like having that oh yeah like Illinois you know the Winnetka area all that good stuff you know I'm from Elgin originally so you know about an hour drive just far enough away where I'm you know not the Riff Raff hanging out in Winnetka but uh but yeah no it was it was super cool New York and that I I couldn't have asked for more well that's the thing I love about him creating a fictitious Place uh you know everyone could say they're an hour from Sherman Illinois if they wanted uh and and you know you you do bring up a very specific I think gen xers in particular I don't know what year you're born I'm a 76 baby um okay so there we go you know as we grew up uh the vantage point that we have I mean a great observation with John Hughes movie um you know uh you know The Breakfast Club generation um and and and and what New York was to us um you know the the the dream part of it and then what the reality actually is when you get there well you kind of got to have that dream part realized what were some of the things that you learned um working for late show that you have taken to you you know to other projects so every job I've ever been in I compare it to work at late show and I tell them that we're on the air even if it's a job that's not on the air obviously at the University we're not in the air but it's live TV you're working in live TV so what I've learned is you make it work so even if you're at a desk job and something goes wrong yeah make it work you cover it up you cut to commercial you come back with a fresh thing I mean and that's honestly word I mean everything is live TV even if it's not live in the live sets it's live TV yeah it's tape is rolling you're on just keep smiling make it work when the little ear thing fell out of my ear I you know obviously I should have probably had a backup but you know we made it work we kept going and you know you got to see whatever's behind me here all the junk on the shelves and all that good stuff but yeah that's so that's what I took away from it and I was at a and like you say New York again sorry to Hound on the New York part but I was there at the perfect time too because it wasn't totally disneyfied yet it wasn't taken over by Disney so we still had all the you know the the peep show booths and the so I got I got a little bit of the gritty New York org along with the like cleaned up sanitized streets scrubbed New York and uh I was there like the perfect time so actually like when I would go back recently and look at Mike it's totally different I mean it's totally different not in a bad way but it's just totally different so I feel like I was there just the right time before all of that had vanished and I'm not saying that you know stay away from Peep Show booths they're bad no but no I mean it was it was just a different experience to like just see all that it's just part of daily life it's daily life yeah no judgment to the Peep Show crowd um that's right um you said you'd talk a little bit about your love for Broadway did you see a lot of Broadway shows while you were there I did not so much when I was young you know uh not Deep Pockets and all that kind of stuff but as I got older like you know probably the last like well I just moved back last year kind of like the last six seven eight years I got a lot of Broadway exposure and uh that was really cool that was really cool to see things you know from silly little musicals or like uh jukebox musicals to like angels of America and all that stuff and I actually got involved and worked really closely with Broadway cares Equity fights AIDS and they did a lot of really cool events and obviously a lot of important fundraising so I got to go to a lot of opening night parties and meet a lot of other celebrities I had yeah I bet um so it was really nice to kind of Go full circle I started in the whole celebrity realm unexpectedly but then also worked with this wonderful organization um and be able to help them out and uh just participate in all that good stuff too and get some culture get some Broadway culture so it was all good it was all good fantastic uh I I wanted to show and tell because it's fascinating to me that whenever somebody worked for the show um or or is it you know we've had people who didn't work for the show but they're also you know uh collectors as well of things I'm a big fan of that kind of stuff uh I know you you were given a few things as uh as as you were there and you have if you've acquired a few things uh outside of that as well what are some of your uh Letterman Collectibles that uh you have yeah so I had one thing that got destroyed when I was taking taken out of the frame but David so when I worked at 30 Rock and became friends with all the mail room crowds they had a bunch of old posters um and they had a picture of Dave and Johnny Carson together um for like an NBC and uh Dave autograph it for me you know thanks for everything Mike you know I it ripped so that unfortunately no longer exists I hope I still have a picture of it I don't have it now but um but I do have some other things that were gifted to me sure uh over the years and I've got some of the cool bumper cars bumpers before we talk shout out to our boy Mark Carson we love Mark so much we're gonna have him back on the show here soon and and and talk here so you got some bumpers let's see what you got there and we'll get some of these to Mark or something for like the next edition of the book or whatever but uh so since I'm a Chicago guy I have one of the uh these are from late night of course I think but uh you know one of the Chicago Lifesavers I thought I think this is when they they taped in Chicago and this was one of the bumpers they would have used you know to cut to Commercial and back from commercial all that good stuff uh from late night and then I've got a second one here um a Chinese food takeout whatever uh again late night era but uh it's pretty cool and it's all original I mean it's still on the little you know yeah oh yeah cardboard poster board here and stuff try to take care of these get them framed someday and then I got a a third one here uh of course Dave with his you know ubiquitous football that he's always tossing around with Walter and all that good stuff and again late night era but uh one of the old jackets there yeah yeah so Mark is you know the whole the cover of the book here um he came on and he actually told the story of the original jacket and and how it was created in the first place and and it you know kind of birthed on with this this tradition with the jackets uh those who watch the show know that I'm obsessed with the jackets that kind of a thing you also collected yeah I know an adorable little one a little jacket it's so little I don't know you know I got this online I'll admit but it's it's the cutest little late show jacket I have little dogs no it's got 11 on it so I guess it was the 11th 11th it is I have the I have the full version of that jacket that's that's one of the ones I have that's that's a perfect reproduction of it I was hoping to either lose a lot of weight to be able to wear it or put it on my dogs or something I don't know but it's just super cool and super cute so you have to get a teddy bear and put it you know a little teddy bear or something like that and then of course I have my Late Show jacket on here yeah and and as I was you know telling you before we did this little podcast that uh I actually slowly acquired what I think what I think was pretty much every Late Show jacket and I I used I think it was Susan hum's picture that she had taken in the studio one day of all the you know mannequins dressed up with the jackets and I use that as my guide and uh spent a small fortune for it but I had every jacket now some of them are now safe keeping with friends and things like that they're gonna come back to me someday they're gonna come back to me but it was you know and they're all ill-fitting some are extra large some are small some whatever but whatever it didn't really matter I just wanted each of the jackets so I have to work out so if any of my friends are watching this and you will be um you you need to get my jackets back to me um and we're gonna get those so we're gonna put them in a museum or something I don't know we're gonna take a picture with me of them first whether we're going to museum but yeah that's super cool then of course I have a whole bunch of uh the little hand warmers still in the original cellophane wrappings you know that they you know the little chemical things you crunch them or whatever and they warm up put in your pockets have a whole bunch of those and I might have some letterheads and stuff like that that you know came with came with yeah oh that's fun that's that's that's so much fun um okay so I appreciate now I am going to ask you about the George Lucas Museum because this is something I didn't know about until you kind of threw it out in the intro I'm gonna I'm gonna ask that uh but before we do before we move over to that any other endearing um any other stories from when you were working in the Ed Sullivan Theater every day uh uh any anything that that kind of comes to mind as some of the big highlights of your time at uh Late Show with David Letterman you know this is going to be a cop-out answer but no because just everything was so amazing like one thing I wish they would have done a little differently is when they had the interns um because again not everyone did get to meet Dave or see Dave on a regular basis I say no he's he's uh he's you know he's uh he's to himself and understandably I get that and I was lucky enough to be at the Holiday party and stuff and kind of bother when he was trying to take his ice skates off to grab a photo because I knew this was Now or Never um type of a thing so I did it and so did Mom and you know we got her picture but anyway but um one thing I would have loved to have happen is you know kind of like they rounded up all the staff for the picture on stage each year kind of wish for each internship there you know at the end of you know rehearsal have a design type enters be here for your quick photo one two three and then everyone would have gotten a photo so right in hindsight that would have been an amazing thing because everyone would have that souvenir you know because I don't I don't think everyone did walk off of something like that but every day was amazing I mean seriously you know it's work at the end of the day so some days you kind of you know you know scratch in your head wondering what the heck you're doing but uh no it was just it was amazing and you know all the people I met the staff I mean everybody was super nice I mean to be able to like you know I'm not a smoker but like you know they're hanging out outside the studio you know they're setting up for some silly little Street skit that they're gonna do with like you know someone diving from the top of the building into like a little pool or something like all that kind of stuff which is fun like what the what the hell are they doing today you know there's an elephant on the street yeah well it's just another day at work it really was just another day at work yeah there's an elephant okay what are we doing today so it was just it was just super fun I mean I I'm truly blessed that I was able to get all that like how many people can say that what do we have like six seven eight interns a time times you know fall spring fall spring there's not a lot of people out there that can say that so I'm I'm pretty damn lucky so yeah uh well I appreciate you taking time to to come and reminisce and talk about these things and do the show and tell here with us that's fantastic it um yeah it's great to hear all these stories and and uh and we love being an outlet for people to tell them if you if you have any of your uh former intern buddies that that wanna come on here as well and talk about this stuff we're here for them for sure um you know we've got a few more that are gonna be happening this summer uh as bonus episodes very very excited about our little interns thought of the names in that photo with me and Tommy rupreck uh Tommy on the show so Thomas there we go Chris Chris is coming on the show Chris is coming on the show here in a couple weeks well there you go well you can Flash that photo and surprise the heck out of them but yeah I'm surprised that my old brain was able to figure that out but it just came to me while you're talking sorry it's fantastic no don't be don't be uh absolutely fantastic um thank you so much for talking about your time uh at Late Show now now when I'm a huge Star Wars fan as well when I heard that Lucas was going to be building um a museum and and uh and he picked Chicago for it it's now I think that location moved to LA now right he's he's going he's going to do it there but they spent a whole bunch of time and effort figuring out how they were going to do that and apparently he was going to move all the models the like like there's pictures of him down in the basement at Skywalker Ranch with all of the models of all the Star Destroyers and all the things around with them apparently that was all going to be on display in Chicago for a time uh did you actually work directly for was it was it lucasfilm was it a separate society that he had built up for it how did that uh how did that happen funny little story so um when I was kind of back and forth between Hoboken New Jersey and uh Chicago um I applied for a random job but working for Melody Hobson his wife and uh working at her investment firm and I applied for a job you know working in her office whatever and uh I didn't get that job I didn't get a phone call that says uh we do have another job for him like okay you know I thought well you know there's going to be like a little administrative Aid you know but it's sitting a little corner a little closet somewhere you know typing papers or whatever um they said no no no so you know they told me to come on in to do my paperwork and all that good stuff and they told me to pack a bag I have to pack a bag that sounds kind of odd so they sent the car for me well apparently you know my first day on the job was flying on the jet from Chicago to LA or to to uh San Francisco area um with with Melody and George and a few other folks and I spent if you've been on a private plane with George Lucas I did I I have and uh it was just you talk about surreal um and that was day one that was day one and uh you know I I stayed out at the ranch for uh for a few days um a beautiful little ranch little teeny little ranch very modest little ranch it was it was adorable um and uh basically I was working I was working directly for George um and kind of kind of trying to get everything together with that project a museum project and uh kind of kind of you know the folks that have been working on it kind of try to bring everything together um and and I understand it was going to be the you know the Museum of narrative art the Georgia community so it wasn't just gonna be Star Wars and I think that's important to highlight and I think that's absolutely you know I don't want to talk out of school here but um you know so I I think that you know a lot of people maybe didn't realize that I'm a huge Star Wars fan a huge Star Wars fan I mean beginning to meet George and get a picture with George was amazing uh I mean you know again you talk about lock um but um you know I think it was it just wasn't the right time and place in my mind in my mind you know you know I understand the parks people were word person and I you know I get it I'm big on Parks too so you know it was just it was just an unfortunate set of circumstances to me um and I'm again I'm not trying to spark out of steeping out of school say anything that I shouldn't share and then there's nothing really and there's nothing really to share that I shouldn't share but um I mean everything that's out there is already out there but um you know I I understood it I understood it and uh you know at the end of the day it was just an amazing experience for me um and he's just and he and his wife were super cool super cool people the museum I I think it's open I think it's open I haven't really followed to be honest with I haven't been out in La lately um but um you know it's just a super cool concept and and the artwork collection he has you know Norman Rockwell's it's it's the telling of of stories through ART including Star Wars including Star Wars and just to be able to sit with the man at his kitchen table and just go over things and just you know I was in awe and I had a lot of work cut out for me um but he's a super respectful super talented super nice um yeah yeah oh you've you got some stories there Mike Summers uh that is unbelievable that you you've had some of these experiences here as we kind of move over to our to to close up this episode of the Letterman podcast is there anything that you uh wanted to make sure you got into the episode here today is there anything that you would kind of mentally prepare that you wanted to get in not really but I would just want to say thank you thank you to you thank you to Letterman thank you to everyone on the staff then now Through The Years whatever got to see Dave when he came out to Chicago to do one of his uh you know his interview things with uh oh he interviewed who did the interview he interviewed Barack Obama you were after Barack Obama my next guest I did I did get to go to there I go to go to there to go to that that was amazing and and there were no strings pulled to get tickets I actually went online and applied just like a normal Joe schmoe to get him and got lucky and got to go see it that was amazing and I'm like you know there's my old boss sitting up there interviewing Barack Obama um it was just super cool and uh so thank you I don't know how else to say it like thank you though the experience they gave me was a once in a lifetime and it just kind of I mean you know a little kid from the Midwest like they will get from the Midwest who've got all these amazing opportunities and just made things so much fun just made things so much fun and hard working but so much fun so thank you is the biggest message I want to send to everyone out there and now you know I don't give a lot of tidbits about stuff that they probably didn't already know but man roaming those hallways doing all that stuff I was lucky as a pig and you know what yeah uh have you watched many of the other my next guests uh you know since oh absolutely I had to see if I could see myself in the audience sure was there a lot cut from it uh I wouldn't say a ton was caught really not Todd wasn't caught you know I mean some of the stuff was you know strategically edited and stuff but there wasn't really a lot that didn't make it into there I mean they're both such great speakers anyway and they know what they're going to talk about and all that good stuff except there's really not a lot to cut or that you'd want to cut um so I don't think it was terribly edited to be honest with you from what I can recall um but yeah that was amazing I didn't watch a lot though I mean I watched like the first uh series or whatever you want to call the first season of it yeah I don't think I've really watched a lot after that um but uh but yeah it was pretty interesting and I'm glad he's still doing stuff like that I mean he's kind of archiving things for history but also having fun with it so it's kind of like the Lettermen Legacy lives on um switching to long form I I uh I've loved the evolution of it he was always such a big fan of Tom Snyder and now kind of near at this part of his career I'm not even going to say the end of it because you never know he may reinvent himself again and and come up with something uh uh you know something new but uh at this phase where he's at doing the long form is very very interesting the Barack Obama episode the President Barack Obama episode of of my next guest one of the things that I loved and I think this is kind of a good way for us to kind of um to button this one up the way that they finished the Epic that interview I don't know if you remember or not but one of the things that Dave was kind of moving to the close and President Obama actually oh hold on a second hold on let's let's let me ask you something and he said you know um if there's any way that we can take you know we've both been very very blessed and had some good fortune and some good luck along the way uh can we take something and sprinkle that on to everybody else and and uh and then Dave talks about how how lucky he has been to get to where he's at and that kind of a thing uh it seems like that would have been an extremely inspirational room to be in at that moment uh when they were doing that did did you feel it did you feel the Goosebumps at that point I mean that was a that was a pretty big moment you got to see yeah it was and I also been fortunate to meet Barack Obama a few times um and all that at the White House um so I I had I had had that moment with Barack Obama but to have both people that I had met at one point in time being in that room saying things like that and it really was about Hope and change it just you know realizing the full potential in people and the full potential of our country and the world and all that good stuff I mean however whatever you want to put a spin on it but yeah so it was profound um I thought in a very simple way it doesn't have to be complicated to be profound and it was profound oh well I love that very very well said uh oh we're gonna finish here okay so I I we're calling an audible here uh I'm gonna finish by building doing a commercial we have one sponsor one sponsor only here at the Lettermen podcast and that is Rupert G in the hello Deli um you 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